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<blockquote data-quote="Logos7" data-source="post: 4445763" data-attributes="member: 62880">Yeah, one of the first thing's I did with my new players in 4th edition was , Hey You can say HP but think in your head Fight Points, do you loose some fight when you get whacked and cut? Oh yeah but psionic assults and other things also affect them. As far as minions, I love them. Sometimes you just need waves upon waves of mooks, as for the people not wanting to use high level minions, that's fine but your depriving yourself of mook fights for little reason that I can see, its a matter of personal taste. They feel very much like buffy, and I think buffy is a pretty good example of heroic fantasy. Someone really early on called it goofy But I wouldn't say it is anymore than any other visual fantasy&nbsp; example. Compare buffy to say the DnD movie? yeah who's goofy now. Perhaps the recent Beowulf where the dude cuts off his own arm to stab the dragon better? Yeah whos goody now. (not really ragging on these thigns but i dislike that minions get dismissed as goofy fantasy when they are a pretty strong staple of fantasy and pulp in all kinds) What i find really amusing is all the house rules to give minions smidgeons of Hp so that they still go down in one hit, but you know not in one hit. Logos</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Logos7, post: 4445763, member: 62880"] Yeah, one of the first thing's I did with my new players in 4th edition was , Hey You can say HP but think in your head Fight Points, do you loose some fight when you get whacked and cut? Oh yeah but psionic assults and other things also affect them. As far as minions, I love them. Sometimes you just need waves upon waves of mooks, as for the people not wanting to use high level minions, that's fine but your depriving yourself of mook fights for little reason that I can see, its a matter of personal taste. They feel very much like buffy, and I think buffy is a pretty good example of heroic fantasy. Someone really early on called it goofy But I wouldn't say it is anymore than any other visual fantasy example. Compare buffy to say the DnD movie? yeah who's goofy now. Perhaps the recent Beowulf where the dude cuts off his own arm to stab the dragon better? Yeah whos goody now. (not really ragging on these thigns but i dislike that minions get dismissed as goofy fantasy when they are a pretty strong staple of fantasy and pulp in all kinds) What i find really amusing is all the house rules to give minions smidgeons of Hp so that they still go down in one hit, but you know not in one hit. Logos [/QUOTE]

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