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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RenleyRenfield" data-source="post: 9850204" data-attributes="member: 7044197">Except again, you are not actually saying anything correct.   The above statement fundamentally does not understand what Play to Find out is."Play to find out" has nothing at all to do with = "RPGs have pretty much always been about playing to find out what happens, what the PCs do, how situations are resolved, how puzzles are solved." This is very very wrong. Play to find out is not a critique or condemnation or even commentary.  Hopefully nobody is using that way, i certainly never would agree with doing that.No. Wrong again. Design language is not for the players other than to maybe aid in helping them find out why game A played one way, but a similar themed game B played differently. it's ok to make a game using "pass fail" rulesIt's ok to make a game with "zero GM fiat" it's ok to make a game with "100% GM fiat" and so on and on and on. It's all good. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Design language helps the designer achieve the ways rules and presentation and wording support a specific style of play.  Play to find out is just one of may designs of a game, and speaks nothing at all about being 'better' or 'fixing problems' or whatever. In the same way that we talk about GM no-roll systems... each type of design choice will influence play.  note: There is no addendum for player-house rules/alterations.  That's just a given in all things.</blockquote>

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