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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3298002" data-attributes="member: 4937">I would say that the rules are for a single coil of relatively light rope - say 1/2&quot;.&nbsp; A 460 lb. test rope is probably closer to 1/4&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; We could get the h.p's, break DC's, and such by extrapolating on frankthedm's handy table, using the rule that doubling the width quadruples the test and h.p.'s of the rope.&nbsp;&nbsp; Personally, I think that frankthedm's suggestion that a rope be broken at well below its normal test (5% chance of a DC 23 rope breaking with 460 lbs.) should only apply to old, worn, rope or to rope which is stressed (such as a falling weight).Falling weights apply a force roughly five times thier weight to rope when they come to a stop, and because of the jerk, they should cause a break chance.&nbsp; Swinging weights apply a force roughly three times thier weight, and if this exceeds the ropes 'test' it should cause a break test.&nbsp; A rope which is being used to slowly lift a weight which is less than its test shouldn't have to make a break test unless the rope is old, dirty, worn, rotten, or defective.To determine if a rope is in danger of breaking at below its test, you can make an appraise check against the ropes break DC.&nbsp; You may add +2 to your appraise check if you are trained in craft (rope) or +6 if you have at least 5 ranks in craft rope.&nbsp;&nbsp; You may also add +2 to your appraise check if you have at least 5 ranks of Use Rope (3.0 rules), or any profession which depends heavily on rope (sailor, teamster, etc.).&nbsp; Success indicates you realize that the rope is becoming dangerous to use, or that it is defective and should not be used/purchased at all.&nbsp; You may take 20 on the appraise check and spend 10 minutes checking the rope, and most professional rope users and climbers will do exactly that.I personally prefer keeping Use Rope a skill.&nbsp; Tetsubo is right to point out that a person well tied up has a harder time breaking the rope.&nbsp; Presumably, when tying someone up, the better your check the better (more loops, whatever) you do tying them, allowing you to increase the DC of breaking out.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 3298002, member: 4937"] I would say that the rules are for a single coil of relatively light rope - say 1/2". A 460 lb. test rope is probably closer to 1/4". We could get the h.p's, break DC's, and such by extrapolating on frankthedm's handy table, using the rule that doubling the width quadruples the test and h.p.'s of the rope. Personally, I think that frankthedm's suggestion that a rope be broken at well below its normal test (5% chance of a DC 23 rope breaking with 460 lbs.) should only apply to old, worn, rope or to rope which is stressed (such as a falling weight). Falling weights apply a force roughly five times thier weight to rope when they come to a stop, and because of the jerk, they should cause a break chance. Swinging weights apply a force roughly three times thier weight, and if this exceeds the ropes 'test' it should cause a break test. A rope which is being used to slowly lift a weight which is less than its test shouldn't have to make a break test unless the rope is old, dirty, worn, rotten, or defective. To determine if a rope is in danger of breaking at below its test, you can make an appraise check against the ropes break DC. You may add +2 to your appraise check if you are trained in craft (rope) or +6 if you have at least 5 ranks in craft rope. You may also add +2 to your appraise check if you have at least 5 ranks of Use Rope (3.0 rules), or any profession which depends heavily on rope (sailor, teamster, etc.). Success indicates you realize that the rope is becoming dangerous to use, or that it is defective and should not be used/purchased at all. You may take 20 on the appraise check and spend 10 minutes checking the rope, and most professional rope users and climbers will do exactly that. I personally prefer keeping Use Rope a skill. Tetsubo is right to point out that a person well tied up has a harder time breaking the rope. Presumably, when tying someone up, the better your check the better (more loops, whatever) you do tying them, allowing you to increase the DC of breaking out. [/QUOTE]

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