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<blockquote data-quote="Nth Dimension Games" data-source="post: 9887868" data-attributes="member: 7056791"><p>Ah, good old analysis paralysis. </p><p></p><p></p><p>You need to start with the options that are universal to a system. There's actually a very limited number of things you can do in combat, adventuring and even roleplaying. Once you clearly establish what you can do, then you introduce variations on those universal options. That's where you start making character build choices matter.</p><p></p><p>Someone said "something fancy like disarming an enemy" is quite revealing about the psychology of TT gamers. D&D has trained the community and established the precedent for other TTRPGs that things like this are "special" and exceptionally risky. Games like D&D are designed to discourage anything other than Fireball. I think the reason why is simply the risk/reward structure. </p><p></p><p>What's typically the goal of combat? Reduce your opponent's hit points to 0 or cause them to flee. Then again we don't want them to flee because we miss out on their loot. So we're incentivized to blow them up with overwhelming force from a distance. Why invoke an attack of opportunity for moving inside their threat range, being in melee range, and risk being disarmed ourselves if we roll poorly? What do we gain from it that a fireball couldn't accomplish with less risk? Their weapon falls on the ground that they pick up with a partial action on their turn and whack us with it. Okay, so we're really good and we disarm them and now hold their weapon in our hands. We're still in melee range, dual wielding (penalties for that), we can throw it (attack of opportunity from that unless you have the feat). Its just not a system designed for anything cool therefore anything other than the most basic make-umber-bigger-ability is considered "fancy."</p><p></p><p>So back on topic. I prefer, because I designed it that way, to have as many options as possible that can be easily managed within the same system. Every special ability is an expression of a universal ability everyone has access to. I've tried to stick to the mantra "it does the same thing, but in a different way."</p><p></p><p>What this means is, using combat as an example, if it hurts your opponent with the goal of reducing your opponent's hit points to 0, how many ways can we do that? For a fantasy based TTRPG, I started with Melee, Range and Magic. Staples of fantasy settings. Then I ask, are there any ways we help reduce our opponent's hit points to 0 without directly hurting them? Disruption Methods, Grapple Arts, Psionics, Spells and Divine Spells. Each one of those classifications everyone can do (not in combat through, there's nuance) because they're universal concepts (this is built into my game's design from the start).</p><p></p><p>So saying this, it's going to depend on what the game considers a universal action versus a class exclusive one. D&D has using any spell as impossible without "training." Their system uses a class leveling feature which infers time and dedication into learning that class's abilities. You have limited resources, levels, and that resource can be spent on abilities that are "exclusive" to that class (even though lots of levels don't grant any abilities) so long as you have the prerequisite level requirement.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nth Dimension Games, post: 9887868, member: 7056791"] Ah, good old analysis paralysis. You need to start with the options that are universal to a system. There's actually a very limited number of things you can do in combat, adventuring and even roleplaying. Once you clearly establish what you can do, then you introduce variations on those universal options. That's where you start making character build choices matter. Someone said "something fancy like disarming an enemy" is quite revealing about the psychology of TT gamers. D&D has trained the community and established the precedent for other TTRPGs that things like this are "special" and exceptionally risky. Games like D&D are designed to discourage anything other than Fireball. I think the reason why is simply the risk/reward structure. What's typically the goal of combat? Reduce your opponent's hit points to 0 or cause them to flee. Then again we don't want them to flee because we miss out on their loot. So we're incentivized to blow them up with overwhelming force from a distance. Why invoke an attack of opportunity for moving inside their threat range, being in melee range, and risk being disarmed ourselves if we roll poorly? What do we gain from it that a fireball couldn't accomplish with less risk? Their weapon falls on the ground that they pick up with a partial action on their turn and whack us with it. Okay, so we're really good and we disarm them and now hold their weapon in our hands. We're still in melee range, dual wielding (penalties for that), we can throw it (attack of opportunity from that unless you have the feat). Its just not a system designed for anything cool therefore anything other than the most basic make-umber-bigger-ability is considered "fancy." So back on topic. I prefer, because I designed it that way, to have as many options as possible that can be easily managed within the same system. Every special ability is an expression of a universal ability everyone has access to. I've tried to stick to the mantra "it does the same thing, but in a different way." What this means is, using combat as an example, if it hurts your opponent with the goal of reducing your opponent's hit points to 0, how many ways can we do that? For a fantasy based TTRPG, I started with Melee, Range and Magic. Staples of fantasy settings. Then I ask, are there any ways we help reduce our opponent's hit points to 0 without directly hurting them? Disruption Methods, Grapple Arts, Psionics, Spells and Divine Spells. Each one of those classifications everyone can do (not in combat through, there's nuance) because they're universal concepts (this is built into my game's design from the start). So saying this, it's going to depend on what the game considers a universal action versus a class exclusive one. D&D has using any spell as impossible without "training." Their system uses a class leveling feature which infers time and dedication into learning that class's abilities. You have limited resources, levels, and that resource can be spent on abilities that are "exclusive" to that class (even though lots of levels don't grant any abilities) so long as you have the prerequisite level requirement. [/QUOTE]
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