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<blockquote data-quote="mkill" data-source="post: 5139155" data-attributes="member: 55985"><p>I don't think I surprise anyone when I say that most things that were new in 4th edition have their roots in all kinds of sources, like older D&D editions, indie RPGs, european boardgames, and MMOs. This is mainly an attempt at RPG history. I'm not interested in your opinion whether a certain element is good or bad (I think we've had enough discussion about that in the last 2 years), I just want to create an overview where stuff comes from.</p><p></p><p><strong>Game rules and concepts</strong></p><p></p><p>- Shift: 5 ft. step in 3.0 edition</p><p>- Immediate Reactions and Interrupts: European-style boardgames and Magic: the Gathering</p><p>- Minor action: swift action in 3.5 edition</p><p>- Feats: 3.0</p><p>- Martial powers: Tome of Battle</p><p>- Combat roles: Explicit in World of Warcraft. Of course, defender = fighting man, controller = magic user, leader = cleric and striker = thief. Note that WoW is based on Diablo, which is based on older rogue-like games and MUDs, which are based on D&D and date back all the way to 1975. </p><p>- Minions: Feng Shui RPG (1996), but could be older</p><p></p><p><strong>Races</strong></p><p></p><p>- Dragonborn: Dragonlance setting (called Dragonmen then), published 1984</p><p>- Goliath: Non-psionic version of the Half-Giant, Dark Sun setting, 1991, edit: Races of Stone</p><p>- Tiefling: Introduced with the 1994 Planescape setting</p><p>- Shifter, Warforged, Changeling: Eberron setting, 2004</p><p>- Eladrin: The high-elf / wood-elf split goes all the way back to the Lord of the Rings, 1954</p><p></p><p><strong>Classes</strong></p><p></p><p>- Ranger: The Strategic Review - Volume 1, Number 2 (197?)</p><p>- Bard: The Strategic Review - Volume 2, Number 1 (197?)</p><p>- Monk: Blackmoor supplement, 1975</p><p>- Assassin: Blackmoor supplement, 1975</p><p>- Druid: Eldritch Wizardry supplement, 1976</p><p>- Barbarian: Dragon #63, July 1982</p><p>- Sorcerer: 3rd edition PHB, 2000</p><p>- Warlock: Complete Arcane, 2004</p><p>- Swordmage: inspired by the AD&D Bladesinger, the 3rd ed. Duskblade and the many different 3rd edition Gish builds</p><p>- Warlord: Based on the Marshall (Miniatures Handbook, 2003) and the Tome of Battle White Raven style</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mkill, post: 5139155, member: 55985"] I don't think I surprise anyone when I say that most things that were new in 4th edition have their roots in all kinds of sources, like older D&D editions, indie RPGs, european boardgames, and MMOs. This is mainly an attempt at RPG history. I'm not interested in your opinion whether a certain element is good or bad (I think we've had enough discussion about that in the last 2 years), I just want to create an overview where stuff comes from. [B]Game rules and concepts[/B] - Shift: 5 ft. step in 3.0 edition - Immediate Reactions and Interrupts: European-style boardgames and Magic: the Gathering - Minor action: swift action in 3.5 edition - Feats: 3.0 - Martial powers: Tome of Battle - Combat roles: Explicit in World of Warcraft. Of course, defender = fighting man, controller = magic user, leader = cleric and striker = thief. Note that WoW is based on Diablo, which is based on older rogue-like games and MUDs, which are based on D&D and date back all the way to 1975. - Minions: Feng Shui RPG (1996), but could be older [B]Races[/B] - Dragonborn: Dragonlance setting (called Dragonmen then), published 1984 - Goliath: Non-psionic version of the Half-Giant, Dark Sun setting, 1991, edit: Races of Stone - Tiefling: Introduced with the 1994 Planescape setting - Shifter, Warforged, Changeling: Eberron setting, 2004 - Eladrin: The high-elf / wood-elf split goes all the way back to the Lord of the Rings, 1954 [B]Classes[/B] - Ranger: The Strategic Review - Volume 1, Number 2 (197?) - Bard: The Strategic Review - Volume 2, Number 1 (197?) - Monk: Blackmoor supplement, 1975 - Assassin: Blackmoor supplement, 1975 - Druid: Eldritch Wizardry supplement, 1976 - Barbarian: Dragon #63, July 1982 - Sorcerer: 3rd edition PHB, 2000 - Warlock: Complete Arcane, 2004 - Swordmage: inspired by the AD&D Bladesinger, the 3rd ed. Duskblade and the many different 3rd edition Gish builds - Warlord: Based on the Marshall (Miniatures Handbook, 2003) and the Tome of Battle White Raven style [/QUOTE]
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