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<blockquote data-quote="two" data-source="post: 5139369" data-attributes="member: 9002">More like loses the thread.&nbsp; I suppose this sort of thing was inevitable.If you look at a sequence of objects on Earth from 1000000 miles away, they all look the same.&nbsp; A really small dot.Obviously the Paladin has been around long before the 4.0 D&amp;D class.&nbsp; That's not interesting nor informative.&nbsp; Has the Paladin been around as a CLASS before 4.0 D&amp;D, which was really the question?&nbsp; The &quot;concept&quot;:&nbsp; yes.&nbsp; The class?&nbsp; Only in previous editions.&nbsp; Which edition was the first to have a Paladin?&nbsp; I dunno.&nbsp; There is answer, however.A good example of what the initial poster was asking: the 4.0 shift coming from 3.0 5' step coming from... boardgames?&nbsp; Was 3.0 the first RPG to have such a small adjustment?&nbsp; That's a real question, and has an answer.&nbsp; I think so, at least such a definitive important small movement like that.Claiming Caveman = Barbarian ergo something or other... is misreading or misunderstanding the question, perhaps gratuitously.The_Thirty-Six_Dramatic_Situations business appeals to those people, many of them I suspect none-too-creative themselves, who like the idea of inherent artistic limitations and are frankly scared of originality when they come across it in real life (it's different, it's... well, different).&nbsp; It's insanely easy to pick a work of literature which fails to have any of these 36 dramatic situations (Faulkner's &quot;Spotted Horses&quot; is one of a million which come to mind).&nbsp; But if it makes people feel better, than yeah, everything that can be imagined already has been, there are only 36 or 65 plots or 99 depending on the flavor of the month, and life is just a grand recycling.&nbsp; It's wrong, but whatever helps you sleep at night.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="two, post: 5139369, member: 9002"] More like loses the thread. I suppose this sort of thing was inevitable. If you look at a sequence of objects on Earth from 1000000 miles away, they all look the same. A really small dot. Obviously the Paladin has been around long before the 4.0 D&D class. That's not interesting nor informative. Has the Paladin been around as a CLASS before 4.0 D&D, which was really the question? The "concept": yes. The class? Only in previous editions. Which edition was the first to have a Paladin? I dunno. There is answer, however. A good example of what the initial poster was asking: the 4.0 shift coming from 3.0 5' step coming from... boardgames? Was 3.0 the first RPG to have such a small adjustment? That's a real question, and has an answer. I think so, at least such a definitive important small movement like that. Claiming Caveman = Barbarian ergo something or other... is misreading or misunderstanding the question, perhaps gratuitously. The_Thirty-Six_Dramatic_Situations business appeals to those people, many of them I suspect none-too-creative themselves, who like the idea of inherent artistic limitations and are frankly scared of originality when they come across it in real life (it's different, it's... well, different). It's insanely easy to pick a work of literature which fails to have any of these 36 dramatic situations (Faulkner's "Spotted Horses" is one of a million which come to mind). But if it makes people feel better, than yeah, everything that can be imagined already has been, there are only 36 or 65 plots or 99 depending on the flavor of the month, and life is just a grand recycling. It's wrong, but whatever helps you sleep at night. [/QUOTE]

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