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<blockquote data-quote="TerraDave" data-source="post: 5139732" data-attributes="member: 22260">Eladrin: the 4E designers have said &quot;these are high elves&quot;. I don't think its a big mystery. Though they did borrow the name from a loosely related entity that had been made redundant. In game terms, the elf-split goes ways back. Arguably, the first OD&amp;D elves, who would alternate between fighting with swords and casting spells, were Eladrin. If anything, the &quot;elf&quot; evolved latter, orginally just a monster manual entry. AD&amp;D elves couldn't even take levels in ranger! Other stuff (this is all its D&amp;D predacesor):Classes, races, and levels: OD&amp;Dexperience points and treasure as rewards: OD&amp;DMagic items (including with &quot;+&quot; and &quot;powers&quot;): OD&amp;DD20 roll over a target number: OD&amp;DD20 unified mechanic: 3E (based on Gamma World??)&quot;At will&quot; magic: 3E Warlock Encounter Powers: 3E psionics (??)Daily Powers: OD&amp;D spells. Hit Points: OD&amp;DArmor as damage avoidance: OD&amp;DNon AC defenses: Star Wars Saga or, yes, mental defense in Gamma World. And 3E touch attacks. Using a grid, with each square being 5'x5': Combat and Tactics 1994Opportunity Attacks (aka Attacks of Opportunity): Combat and Tactics 1994Individual initative: 2E (~1989) optional rule based on very confusing 1E precedent. Fixed initiative: 3EDifferent die for different weapon damage: Greyhawk Supplement I. Paladin (as defender with leader and charisma): Greyhawk Supplement I.Thief (as backstabbing skill person): Greyhawk Supplement I.Rogue (as agile damage dealer): 3E. Barbarian: Dragon Magazine, pre 1983 (both the class of that name and the D&amp;D berserker)Monk: Blackmoor Suplement II. Druid: Eldritch Wizadry, Supplement III&nbsp;Halfling: OD&amp;D (and Chainmail)Halfling as boot wearing trouble makers: Dragonlance. Drow: Hall of the Fire Giant KingDrow as PCs: Unearthed Arcana (1E)Lolth: Vault of the DrowOrcus and Demogorgan (aka the coverboys): Eldritch Wizadry, Supplement IIIArtifacts as a unique magic item with own systems: Eldritch Wizadry, Supplement IIIPsionics: Eldritch Wizadry, Supplement III<img src="http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd/dd-sup3-9.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="TerraDave, post: 5139732, member: 22260"] Eladrin: the 4E designers have said "these are high elves". I don't think its a big mystery. Though they did borrow the name from a loosely related entity that had been made redundant. In game terms, the elf-split goes ways back. Arguably, the first OD&D elves, who would alternate between fighting with swords and casting spells, were Eladrin. If anything, the "elf" evolved latter, orginally just a monster manual entry. AD&D elves couldn't even take levels in ranger! Other stuff (this is all its D&D predacesor): Classes, races, and levels: OD&D experience points and treasure as rewards: OD&D Magic items (including with "+" and "powers"): OD&D D20 roll over a target number: OD&D D20 unified mechanic: 3E (based on Gamma World??) "At will" magic: 3E Warlock Encounter Powers: 3E psionics (??) Daily Powers: OD&D spells. Hit Points: OD&D Armor as damage avoidance: OD&D Non AC defenses: Star Wars Saga or, yes, mental defense in Gamma World. And 3E touch attacks. Using a grid, with each square being 5'x5': Combat and Tactics 1994 Opportunity Attacks (aka Attacks of Opportunity): Combat and Tactics 1994 Individual initative: 2E (~1989) optional rule based on very confusing 1E precedent. Fixed initiative: 3E Different die for different weapon damage: Greyhawk Supplement I. Paladin (as defender with leader and charisma): Greyhawk Supplement I. Thief (as backstabbing skill person): Greyhawk Supplement I. Rogue (as agile damage dealer): 3E. Barbarian: Dragon Magazine, pre 1983 (both the class of that name and the D&D berserker) Monk: Blackmoor Suplement II. Druid: Eldritch Wizadry, Supplement III Halfling: OD&D (and Chainmail) Halfling as boot wearing trouble makers: Dragonlance. Drow: Hall of the Fire Giant King Drow as PCs: Unearthed Arcana (1E) Lolth: Vault of the Drow Orcus and Demogorgan (aka the coverboys): Eldritch Wizadry, Supplement III Artifacts as a unique magic item with own systems: Eldritch Wizadry, Supplement III Psionics: Eldritch Wizadry, Supplement III [IMG]http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd/dd-sup3-9.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]

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