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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 7877125" data-attributes="member: 177">I believe back in the 3e days, WotC's research suggested that they should design such that a campaign might reach into the upper tier after 18 months of play, if that's a help.Well, only D&D derivatives use levels 1-20.  They probably continue to do so for reasons of tradition and to serve the minority who do go that high.  I mean, just because most campaigns don't go that high, does that mean they should make that level just disappear entirely?What published 5e campaigns assume 1-20?  None of the WotC major adventure books do that, do they?  Ther Paizo adventure paths I thought largely went up to 16 or 17th level.</blockquote>