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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wik" data-source="post: 4665974" data-attributes="member: 40177">Yeah, the problem with brutes as the "big boss" is that they're pretty limited in what they can do (by design).  Personally, though, a level 8 vs. a level 3 party should be fine - I do it all the time.  (Right now, my level 5 PCs are fighting level 10 creatures, no problem).  I'd include an "out" though;  if you misjudge the encounter, have a way to turn the fight in the PCs' favour without it being obvious.  There are the usual ways (the enemies retreat, allies show up, or the battlefield changes somehow), but I'd go for one that seems bad... have a bunch of minions show up.The minions show up, and charge the PCs.  The PCs have to defend against the minions, but while this is going on, the main bad guys are kept at a distance (and are now open targets for any ranged attackers in your group).  This gives your group a breather, and maybe a chance to spend their second winds without instantly losing their gained hit points to enemy attacks.  Another option would be to delevel the ogre (which I've done, and it works fine), and then add a class to it - Barbarian springs to mind.  This will make the ogre more interesting in combat, and it'll still be tough... though with a bit more crunch than we usually see in Brutes.  If you make the ogre a striker that needs combat advantage, then you have a great encounter.... once the PCs can kill the soldiers, your elite won't be too much of a problem.</blockquote>

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