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<blockquote data-quote="akbearfoot" data-source="post: 4227571" data-attributes="member: 33560"><p>1 level of swordsage = one of the most worth it dips in the game.....For a level and a feat you can always be flanking if there is another ally in melee, add your dex bonus to damage, make concentration checks instead of will saves, get 2 good saves, good skill points, make 1 attack per encounter as a melee touch attack, and pick a few other cool abilities to boot. Assuming you take the dip at 6th level you could access 2nd level maneuvers. A 6th level character with all those abilities and TWF + weapon finesse and a dex of 20-23 and 3d6 sneak attack can be pretty scary. The loss of 1 BAB is offset by the free virtual weapon focus.</p><p></p><p>I think Shadow blade is totally worth 3 feats if you didnt want to dip into swordsage....because the auto flank shadow hand stance you get is completely worth a feat all by itself, and the Moment of perfect mind is absolutely amazing too. But the 1 level dip would be a much better investment IMO.</p><p></p><p>A human Rogue4/Ranger2 could have all 3 feats plus weapon finesse by 6th level.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The OP was originally talking about 2-weapon fighters, so I'll assume they would keep using their light weapons instead of swapping to greatswords <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Halfling rogue 5 Swordsage1 with 17 base dex, a +1 wep and +2 dex item(reasonable).</p><p></p><p>BAB 3 +6dex(22 dex), +1 racial, +1 focus, +1 wep, -2 TWF = Two attacks at +10 to hit with 3d6 sneak attack, and strength and dex bonus to damage.</p><p></p><p>Or the rogue 3 ranger 2 swordsage 1 synergizes well too. Better BAB and fort save, and you end up with an extra feat but slightly less skills and 1 less SA dice.</p><p></p><p>Bottom line for me is that Shadow blade as a feat is very very strong...not gamebreaking, but definitely in the department of 'think about it before allowing it into your game'</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="akbearfoot, post: 4227571, member: 33560"] 1 level of swordsage = one of the most worth it dips in the game.....For a level and a feat you can always be flanking if there is another ally in melee, add your dex bonus to damage, make concentration checks instead of will saves, get 2 good saves, good skill points, make 1 attack per encounter as a melee touch attack, and pick a few other cool abilities to boot. Assuming you take the dip at 6th level you could access 2nd level maneuvers. A 6th level character with all those abilities and TWF + weapon finesse and a dex of 20-23 and 3d6 sneak attack can be pretty scary. The loss of 1 BAB is offset by the free virtual weapon focus. I think Shadow blade is totally worth 3 feats if you didnt want to dip into swordsage....because the auto flank shadow hand stance you get is completely worth a feat all by itself, and the Moment of perfect mind is absolutely amazing too. But the 1 level dip would be a much better investment IMO. A human Rogue4/Ranger2 could have all 3 feats plus weapon finesse by 6th level. The OP was originally talking about 2-weapon fighters, so I'll assume they would keep using their light weapons instead of swapping to greatswords :) Halfling rogue 5 Swordsage1 with 17 base dex, a +1 wep and +2 dex item(reasonable). BAB 3 +6dex(22 dex), +1 racial, +1 focus, +1 wep, -2 TWF = Two attacks at +10 to hit with 3d6 sneak attack, and strength and dex bonus to damage. Or the rogue 3 ranger 2 swordsage 1 synergizes well too. Better BAB and fort save, and you end up with an extra feat but slightly less skills and 1 less SA dice. Bottom line for me is that Shadow blade as a feat is very very strong...not gamebreaking, but definitely in the department of 'think about it before allowing it into your game' [/QUOTE]
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