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<blockquote data-quote="krupintupple" data-source="post: 4817245" data-attributes="member: 58300"><p>the 3rd level cleric spell prayer is absolutely insane. my PCs use it every battle they can and it really turns the tides, even though it is only a +1 luck bonus to attack, damage, save and skills. best of all, it also effects all enemies with a -1 to all of the above, which is totally sweet.</p><p></p><p>even better, it effects ALL allies within 60' of the cleric. if the slavers send in the slaves as fodder, get your most powerful diplomancers to tell them this is the time to revolt - role-play it up a tad "...as a humble servant of Pelor, I promise you freedom and justice! Join us brothers!" and the DM might bump your chances of having a mutiny. as soon as this happens, try to get near the slaves and then remind the DM that your prayer now effects them. while it's not a lot, even 1st level warriors will be benifitting from a +1 to damage/attack. this stacks with a bard's singing and, can get pretty silly, if used on a big enough group.</p><p></p><p>a bard using inspirational courage and a cleric using prayer can boost even mook-level slaves with a +3 to attack and damage. considering they'll be using clubs and a STR score of 11, they'll immediately become much more effective.</p><p></p><p>p.s. just read the whole "DM intends us to adventure and Slavers to retain all wealth". unless this is part of some grand, overarching plotline, it sounds like he's railroading you guys and being kinda of a jackoff. the reason i am so candid is because i used to do this myself about a decade ago; he could and probably could reward thoughtful playing and interesting developments.</p><p></p><p>ie: if he's worried about you guys getting too rich, simply let the surviving slaves consider one of the PCs their heroic retainer and they set about rebuilding the village with him as the mayor-protector. now, not only do the PCs get far more involved, but now there are a billion and one ways to rid them of one or two over-treasured situations, without being a railroading jerk about it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="krupintupple, post: 4817245, member: 58300"] the 3rd level cleric spell prayer is absolutely insane. my PCs use it every battle they can and it really turns the tides, even though it is only a +1 luck bonus to attack, damage, save and skills. best of all, it also effects all enemies with a -1 to all of the above, which is totally sweet. even better, it effects ALL allies within 60' of the cleric. if the slavers send in the slaves as fodder, get your most powerful diplomancers to tell them this is the time to revolt - role-play it up a tad "...as a humble servant of Pelor, I promise you freedom and justice! Join us brothers!" and the DM might bump your chances of having a mutiny. as soon as this happens, try to get near the slaves and then remind the DM that your prayer now effects them. while it's not a lot, even 1st level warriors will be benifitting from a +1 to damage/attack. this stacks with a bard's singing and, can get pretty silly, if used on a big enough group. a bard using inspirational courage and a cleric using prayer can boost even mook-level slaves with a +3 to attack and damage. considering they'll be using clubs and a STR score of 11, they'll immediately become much more effective. p.s. just read the whole "DM intends us to adventure and Slavers to retain all wealth". unless this is part of some grand, overarching plotline, it sounds like he's railroading you guys and being kinda of a jackoff. the reason i am so candid is because i used to do this myself about a decade ago; he could and probably could reward thoughtful playing and interesting developments. ie: if he's worried about you guys getting too rich, simply let the surviving slaves consider one of the PCs their heroic retainer and they set about rebuilding the village with him as the mayor-protector. now, not only do the PCs get far more involved, but now there are a billion and one ways to rid them of one or two over-treasured situations, without being a railroading jerk about it. [/QUOTE]
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