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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5977849" data-attributes="member: 19675">Yes...but again, that is a typical member of the race, not neccessarily all.Look at elves.&nbsp; They receive a bonus to using certain weapons, but it is explicitly because they PHB says they spend longer than other races practicing those weapons.&nbsp; We largely ignore that, but there is no reason why they all have to do that.&nbsp; An elf who grew up among barbarian dwarves may well have a similar bonus to axes &amp; hammers instead of long swords &amp; rapiers.And yes, even young gold dragons start off with racial HD...because they're large reptilians.&nbsp; That would serve as the baseline for the racial class.&nbsp; If, over time, they live a typical Draconic life, they'll acquire typical Draconic stats.&nbsp; If they live a different life, however, ___________.Racial classes let DMs &amp; players fill in that blank while allowing for more variety in PCs without balance becoming an issue.Over to the Minotaur- he'd start off with a bonus to strength (+2?&nbsp; +4?), and other attributes...say, a 1d6 gore and 30' darkvision.&nbsp; He takes a level of Fighter.&nbsp; At 2nd level, the player decides to take another level of Fighter.&nbsp; Then at 3rd, he takes another level of Minotaur, gaining more BAB, bonuses to saves, another racial HD, and +2 Str as a racial bonus.&nbsp; Perhaps his horns grow and he gets an additional d6 to his gore, and gets Power Attack, even if he did not qualify for it.&nbsp; He then starts taking Battle Sorcerer levels...Over the course of the PCs life, he takes no more Minotaur levels.&nbsp; His people call him &quot;Tiny&quot; in endearment, or &quot;the Withered&quot; as an insult...but because of his mixing of arcane and martial prowess, he still becomes a leader.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5977849, member: 19675"] Yes...but again, that is a [I]typical[/I] member of the race, not neccessarily all. Look at elves. They receive a bonus to using certain weapons, but it is explicitly because they PHB says [I]they spend longer than other races practicing those weapons[/I]. We largely ignore that, but there is no reason why they all have to do that. An elf who grew up among barbarian dwarves may well have a similar bonus to axes & hammers instead of long swords & rapiers. And yes, even young gold dragons start off with racial HD...because they're large reptilians. That would serve as the baseline for the racial class. If, over time, they live a typical Draconic life, they'll acquire typical Draconic stats. If they live a different life, however, ___________. Racial classes let DMs & players fill in that blank while allowing for more variety in PCs without balance becoming an issue. Over to the Minotaur- he'd start off with a bonus to strength (+2? +4?), and other attributes...say, a 1d6 gore and 30' darkvision. He takes a level of Fighter. At 2nd level, the player decides to take another level of Fighter. Then at 3rd, he takes another level of Minotaur, gaining more BAB, bonuses to saves, another racial HD, and +2 Str as a racial bonus. Perhaps his horns grow and he gets an additional d6 to his gore, and gets Power Attack, even if he did not qualify for it. He then starts taking Battle Sorcerer levels... Over the course of the PCs life, he takes no more Minotaur levels. His people call him "Tiny" in endearment, or "the Withered" as an insult...but because of his mixing of arcane and martial prowess, he still becomes a leader. [/QUOTE]

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