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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1124580" data-attributes="member: 14225">Half Ogres are not over powered. They aren't even good.Compare a Half-Ogre to an Orc.The Half Ogre is down one level, and has a Size Penalty to hit. He's also got a strength of +6. The Orc gets one level of his choice, and a strength bonus of +4.So compared to an Orc, he's +1 to-hit in melee from the strength, but -1 to-hit in melee from the size.So in melee, he's got no bonus to hit at all. At range, of course, he has a substantial penalty to-hit.So when comparing a Half-Ogre Barbarian 1 to an Orc character, don't compare a Barbarian 2 - compare an Orc Barbarian 1 who multiclassed into Rogue, Monk, Cleric, or some other class that gives no BAB increase at all.So the Half-Ogre is getting about +2 melee damage from using a bigger weapon, and +1.5 melee damage from using a two handed weapon with a strength bonus 1 higher.The Orc, on the other hand, has an extra level of Rogue - and has the same melee attack bonus and does an extra 3.5 damage from sneak attacking.An Orc Barbarian 1/Rogue 1 is an all-around slightly better character than is a Half-Ogre Barbarian 1. And that is the comparison. You do just as much damage in melee, perform better at range, and can use normal equipment and have a vast pile of skills.---Oh, and being a Native Outsider is all bad. Trading the ability to be Charm Personed for the ability to be Dismissed isn't a good trade. The anti-outsider spells are universally worse than the anti-person spells.Genasi are weak like a zombie. They are not quite as good as Elves, Dwarves, or Halflings - there's no reason why you would have to spend a level for them.-Frank</blockquote>

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