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<blockquote data-quote="two" data-source="post: 3222921" data-attributes="member: 9002"><p><strong>You people are nuts</strong></p><p></p><p>Break the game? +8 adjustment?</p><p></p><p>You people are crazy.</p><p></p><p>What's the difference between a spot. casting cleric and a vanilla one?</p><p></p><p>90% of the time...not much. They are casting the same spells! Most of the time there isn't some "perfect" spell you are going to cast. The cleric that memorizes certain spells usually has a very effective one to cast...</p><p></p><p>Clerics cherry pick their spells, after all. They generally pick the best/most useful ones. Even if there is another spell slightly better on the occasion, the one they picked is often close to being just as effective. </p><p></p><p>Oh no. Somebody died. The spot. caster casts...raise undead. Which is also something the vanilla caster has memorized. Oh no. Fighter is really hurt. Spot. Caster casts heal. So does the vanilla caster.</p><p></p><p>Spon. Casting only really is a "winner" when you are faced with a very obscure situation where a normal Cleric would not have a spell they could cast (either memorized or in a scroll). Like if you had to cast 5 "heals" in a row or something.</p><p></p><p>How often does this happen?</p><p></p><p>It seems likely that a spot. casting Cleric would actually cast many of the same spells a normal cleric would... i.e. the normal typical most useful spells. </p><p></p><p>It's just once in a while that they could really pull something off that is nice.</p><p></p><p>+8 LA is insane. Even +4 is crazy.</p><p></p><p>I would simply say: Ok. For this cleric, all cleric PHB spells you can cast spontaneously. But you get NO domains at all and you can't cast any spell from another book or source (just to keep the paperwork down).</p><p></p><p>Done. I don't see that that is going to be scary at 5th level, 10th, or 20th.</p><p></p><p>Let the player have fun.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="two, post: 3222921, member: 9002"] [b]You people are nuts[/b] Break the game? +8 adjustment? You people are crazy. What's the difference between a spot. casting cleric and a vanilla one? 90% of the time...not much. They are casting the same spells! Most of the time there isn't some "perfect" spell you are going to cast. The cleric that memorizes certain spells usually has a very effective one to cast... Clerics cherry pick their spells, after all. They generally pick the best/most useful ones. Even if there is another spell slightly better on the occasion, the one they picked is often close to being just as effective. Oh no. Somebody died. The spot. caster casts...raise undead. Which is also something the vanilla caster has memorized. Oh no. Fighter is really hurt. Spot. Caster casts heal. So does the vanilla caster. Spon. Casting only really is a "winner" when you are faced with a very obscure situation where a normal Cleric would not have a spell they could cast (either memorized or in a scroll). Like if you had to cast 5 "heals" in a row or something. How often does this happen? It seems likely that a spot. casting Cleric would actually cast many of the same spells a normal cleric would... i.e. the normal typical most useful spells. It's just once in a while that they could really pull something off that is nice. +8 LA is insane. Even +4 is crazy. I would simply say: Ok. For this cleric, all cleric PHB spells you can cast spontaneously. But you get NO domains at all and you can't cast any spell from another book or source (just to keep the paperwork down). Done. I don't see that that is going to be scary at 5th level, 10th, or 20th. Let the player have fun. [/QUOTE]
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