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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Conaill" data-source="post: 1522327" data-attributes="member: 1264">Any estimates for the Awakened Eagle? I figure it's at least a +1 LA. The fly 80 ft probably balances out the lack of hands, it gets three attacks (each doing shortsword damage, and all could benefit from Sneak Attack damage), and a great Dex and Wis score. Let's try out a +1 LA Rogue build:AwEagle/Rog1:HD 3d8+1d6+4 (21 hp)Init +2AC 14Full [Sneak] Attack: 2 talons +5 melee (1d4[+1d6]) and bite +0 melee (1d4[+1d6])Saves: Fort +4, Ref +7, Will +3 Skills: Listen +4, Spot +16, 8 more skill points (total 16)Rog5:HD 5d6 (17 hp)Init +0AC 10 + armorFull [Sneak] Attack: shortsword +3 melee (1d4[+3d6])Saves: Fort +1, Ref +4, Will +1Skills: 64 skill points, but fewer stat bonusesSeems more or less balanced. The Rog5's hp and base AC are less, but he has an easier time using healing potions and armor, and has Uncanny Dodge. Eagle can do more damage on a full attack (18 avg), but the Rog will do more damage on a regular attack (13 avg). Eagle has much better saves, but lacks Evasion. And apart from Spot, the Rog5 definitely wins out in the skills department. (Assume both try to max out 8 skills... Eagle can get +2 stat bonuses on 8 skills, +8 to Spot, +4 to Hide (Small size) and 16 skill points ... total 44 ranks and bonuses, versus 64 skill points for the Rog5)</blockquote>