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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 1377147" data-attributes="member: 6875">Okay, let's look at what they get that's different from a standard PHB elf:  All but the last of these is advantageous.  Nature's Stride is a fairly weak ability, as is Timelessness; they lose the innate proficiencies a PHB Elf would get, and cannot be divine spellcasters.  IMO, those all balance out ... except for the attribute bonusses.  The synergy between having a Charisma bonus, and being able to count any arcane spellcaster class as Preferred, makes this race worth (IMO) +1 or +2.  I really doubt it's truly worth the +2, as this isn't nearly as strong a race as, say, Drow (which are officially a +2 race).  All in all, I really have to say that this strikes me as no more powerful than an Aasimar or Tiefling, and I can't even personally justify setting it at +2, even on a "for now" basis.  I'd call it a +1 LA race, therefor.  It's good, but not amazingly good.  ^_^  They already have that benefit, really, in the form of the Racial bonusses to Listen and Spot.  That would be a bigger change.  Charm Person wouldn't work on them anymore, nor would Hold Person.  Logically, such a creature should get a small DR -- like the "5/cold iron" damage reduction that Nixies have.  Doing both the Type change, and granting that DR, would be worth another +1 LA between them, IMO.</blockquote>