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Message: <blockquote data-quote="erc1971" data-source="post: 2897157" data-attributes="member: 40408">I have never been very happy with the Level Adjustments in D20.For your big, brutish fighters they are right on the money IMO.  +2 LA for Half-Ogre.  Perfect.  The CON and STR bonuses will help make up for lack of hit die and BAB, giving you a character that can still be effective despite being down 2 levels.However, the instant you move to a race that works for anything other than the sterotype of the "Me Grog, me smash!" type of character, you are going to severely nerfing your character's effectiveness.Drow: +2 LA.  OUCH!  (BTW: hearing they are adjusting to +1, reasonable, cool  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> )  SR by RAW should give the Drow an LA of -1.  It is more of a hinderance than a boon.  (Figher at 3 hit points, about to get full attacked by Red Dragon.  "Heal" spell bounces  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> )  (We houserule this ability heavily)  Darkvision is useless as everyone else in the party is going to need a lightsource, and in addition, it won't even help you in the slightest inside the Darkness spell, arg!.  This means you are paying 2 levels for +2 to INT and CHA.  Unless you are a Warmage (and with the PHB2, Beguiler), you are getting next to nothing for your 2 levels.Winged Elf: 3 levels!!!   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" />   3 levels for the ability to fly and some DEX bonus?!  Midly helpful for an archer, but I would still rather have all my levels and wait until the party wizard can cast the Fly spell.  Besides, Raptorians have no LA and earn the abilities of this race over time.  If feel as if the insanely high LA was applied to this race since Flying is something normally unavailable until level 5, meaning you are destroying your character to gain a neat ability a few levels earlier that has almost no affect after 4 levels.  With some extra thought put into a few early adventures by the DM, this race could easily be LA +1.Am I way off base, or do others feel the same way?  Eric</blockquote>

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