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<blockquote data-quote="Darkness" data-source="post: 1968163" data-attributes="member: 13"><p>Hm, you shouldn't be weaker. It should be exactly the same.</p><p></p><p>Let's look at one of them, the feral gargun, and see if we can isolate the problem.</p><p></p><p>They have: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+4 Str, +2 Dex, +4 Con, -2 Int, -2 Cha.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Medium size, speed 30'</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Darkvision 60'</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Powerful build</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">2 racial Hit Dice (and all that entails - saves, skills, 1 feat, etc.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mountain movement</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Acclimated</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Cold resistance 5</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Natural armor +2</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">WP: Simple</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">2 claws (1d6)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Goliath blood</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fav class: Bbn</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Level Adjustment: +2</li> </ul><p></p><p>The feral gargun has an LA of +2 and 2 racial HD. Thus, its ECL is 4 - i.e., it costs 4 levels.</p><p>Thus, the feral gargun monster class ought to have 4 levels.</p><p></p><p>And it does. So far, so good. If you take the feral gargun monster class, you start with the racial traits and whatever the first level gives you.</p><p></p><p>Feral gargun racial traits: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+2 Str, -2 Int, -2 Cha.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Medium size, speed 30'</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Darkvision 60'</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mountain movement</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Cold resistance 5</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">WP: Simple</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Goliath blood</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fav class: Bbn</li> </ul><p></p><p>In addition, level 1 in the feral gargun monster class gives you: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">1 racial HD (and thus, your first feat, etc.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">2 claws (for 1d4 only, so far)</li> </ul><p></p><p>Right... A quick glance at the other 3 levels reveals that they give you exactly the abilities a feral gargun should have (as far above). The ability score bonuses are cumulative, BTW.</p><p></p><p>So the gargun works just fine.</p><p>Did that help any? If not, please let me know which races seem wrong and I'll take a look. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Darkness, post: 1968163, member: 13"] Hm, you shouldn't be weaker. It should be exactly the same. Let's look at one of them, the feral gargun, and see if we can isolate the problem. They have:[list][*]+4 Str, +2 Dex, +4 Con, -2 Int, -2 Cha.[*]Medium size, speed 30'[*]Darkvision 60'[*]Powerful build[*]2 racial Hit Dice (and all that entails - saves, skills, 1 feat, etc.)[*]Mountain movement[*]Acclimated[*]Cold resistance 5[*]Natural armor +2[*]WP: Simple[*]2 claws (1d6)[*]Goliath blood[*]Fav class: Bbn[*]Level Adjustment: +2[/list] The feral gargun has an LA of +2 and 2 racial HD. Thus, its ECL is 4 - i.e., it costs 4 levels. Thus, the feral gargun monster class ought to have 4 levels. And it does. So far, so good. If you take the feral gargun monster class, you start with the racial traits and whatever the first level gives you. Feral gargun racial traits:[list][*]+2 Str, -2 Int, -2 Cha.[*]Medium size, speed 30'[*]Darkvision 60'[*]Mountain movement[*]Cold resistance 5[*]WP: Simple[*]Goliath blood[*]Fav class: Bbn[/list] In addition, level 1 in the feral gargun monster class gives you:[list][*]1 racial HD (and thus, your first feat, etc.)[*]2 claws (for 1d4 only, so far)[/list] Right... A quick glance at the other 3 levels reveals that they give you exactly the abilities a feral gargun should have (as far above). The ability score bonuses are cumulative, BTW. So the gargun works just fine. Did that help any? If not, please let me know which races seem wrong and I'll take a look. :) [/QUOTE]
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