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<blockquote data-quote="howandwhy99" data-source="post: 5470619" data-attributes="member: 3192">This tidbit stood out to me. I do sandbox games in a multiverse as dungeon style. They don't have to go to a dungeon; they aren't getting out of the multiverse. That means everything in an area is more or less appropriate to its level. Within the area the challenge level is generated with a curvilinear distribution, but it's the basic AD&amp;D bell curve stairway. Adding diversity is the fun part.I don't feel limited in this as it offers player choice with built in level appropriateness.&nbsp; They simply have to traverse through the level to get to higher or lower ones.&nbsp; I'm speaking abstractly of course. It's not just spatial level progression, but the assignment to a level, on more or less granular metrics, for everything in the entire game.EDIT:Have you ever seen a 1st level party attempt to traverse mountains? Not a mountain pass, which is controlled by allied forces, but climbing, attempting to find food, being slowed, dealing with non-creature environmental threats like hypothermia, dehydration, altitude sickness, and fatigue?&nbsp; It isn't a 1st level challenge, something that becomes readily apparent the first time they try.&nbsp; And then they aren't even in the high ranges yet where those red dragons live.&nbsp; Could they be really lucky, smart, or both? Yeah, but why exactly are they trying to get to the Orcus level of the dungeon at 1st level anyways?&nbsp; They're either really cocky, really stupid, or extraordinary players.EDIT2: I'm not there to tell them no, but when your resources get really low in a game there should be some bells going off.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="howandwhy99, post: 5470619, member: 3192"] This tidbit stood out to me. I do sandbox games in a multiverse as dungeon style. They don't have to go to a dungeon; they aren't getting out of the multiverse. That means everything in an area is more or less appropriate to its level. Within the area the challenge level is generated with a curvilinear distribution, but it's the basic AD&D bell curve stairway. Adding diversity is the fun part. I don't feel limited in this as it offers player choice with built in level appropriateness. They simply have to traverse through the level to get to higher or lower ones. I'm speaking abstractly of course. It's not just spatial level progression, but the assignment to a level, on more or less granular metrics, for everything in the entire game. EDIT: Have you ever seen a 1st level party attempt to traverse mountains? Not a mountain pass, which is controlled by allied forces, but climbing, attempting to find food, being slowed, dealing with non-creature environmental threats like hypothermia, dehydration, altitude sickness, and fatigue? It isn't a 1st level challenge, something that becomes readily apparent the first time they try. And then they aren't even in the high ranges yet where those red dragons live. Could they be really lucky, smart, or both? Yeah, but why exactly are they trying to get to the Orcus level of the dungeon at 1st level anyways? They're either really cocky, really stupid, or extraordinary players. EDIT2: I'm not there to tell them no, but when your resources get really low in a game there should be some bells going off. [/QUOTE]

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