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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9342407" data-attributes="member: 58172">It is defacto levels. For example, &quot;Ancient&quot; Dragons would be Epic Levels 21 and higher.The low tier monsters (CR 1 and lower) are a bit all over the place and need sorting out and systematization. But the higher stuff tends to correlate with Level plus extra hit points.Actually that is the math. Two player characters working together isnt the same thing as simply adding their levels together.XP might help in the way you are pointing out. But if so, then XP becomes fundamental unit of measuring power.The D&amp;D game would become a game about &quot;XP&quot; − not a game about &quot;levels&quot;. Not to mention &quot;big math&quot; numbers.CR is absolutely worthless, currently. The correlation between level, party level, number of party members, is little more than an educated guess. Moreover the reason why one creature is one CR and an other an other CR is opaque. There is often no reason. Certainly, the Monster Manual monsters ignore the DMs Guide formulas. CR is currently a sloppy meaningless mess.It is better to end the term &quot;CR&quot;, and go with a unit of measurement that has meaning. Namely, &quot;Level&quot;, or perhaps &quot;XP&quot; if it defacto replaces Level.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9342407, member: 58172"] It is defacto levels. For example, "Ancient" Dragons would be Epic Levels 21 and higher. The low tier monsters (CR 1 and lower) are a bit all over the place and need sorting out and systematization. But the higher stuff tends to correlate with Level plus extra hit points. Actually that is the math. Two player characters working together isnt the same thing as simply adding their levels together. XP might help in the way you are pointing out. But if so, then XP becomes fundamental unit of measuring power. The D&D game would become a game about "XP" − not a game about "levels". Not to mention "big math" numbers. CR is absolutely worthless, currently. The correlation between level, party level, number of party members, is little more than an educated guess. Moreover the reason why one creature is one CR and an other an other CR is opaque. There is often no reason. Certainly, the Monster Manual monsters ignore the DMs Guide formulas. CR is currently a sloppy meaningless mess. It is better to end the term "CR", and go with a unit of measurement that has meaning. Namely, "Level", or perhaps "XP" if it defacto replaces Level. [/QUOTE]

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