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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 1657119" data-attributes="member: 141">I think that similar ideas were floating around before that post of yours.  See post 19 of this thread and post 680 of <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=66470&page=34&pp=20" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=66470&page=34&pp=20</a> to see early examples of the notion that xp has to be proportional to the square of the CR.  And I believe we still disagree as to what the (CR^2) is to be divided by.  Your idea about power level factors is both creative and quite workable, but I don't agree that the power factor idea is the best idea reported in this thread.  I personally think the CR^2 idea is best, and it comes from UK's tables, not from either of us.  After that, I think the next best idea is the notion of defining the party's power the same way as the monsters'- by summing the square of the characters' CRs.Incidentally, what makes you say that the (X/Y) formula doesn't follow the 13.3333 encounters/level rule?  A CR "N" encounter which is overcome by 4 Nth level characters earns (N^2)*300/(4*N^2) = 75 xp per character level.  Since each character has N character levels, that's N*75 xp each.  Each character needs N*1000 xp to go up a level, so the party needs (N*1000)/(N*75) = 13.3333 such encounters for everyone to go up.  Which is just what is supposed to happen.Your comments about the wizard's relative impotence vs the golems is well taken.  However he may still buff himself and the fighter, teleport the two of them to safety, cast rope trick so they can camp safely, and so on.  And he can be worth his weight in gold in other encounters; on average he will be at least as useful as the fighter.  A rogue can be very useful with traps and locks and when flanking; a cleric is very good fighting the undead and healing the party.  There are encounters where some characters shine, and others where those same characters are useless.  But it pretty much averages out. A 1st level character, on the other hand, is pretty much useless to a 20th level character no matter what the circumstances.But you are right that a 20/1/1/1 party is pretty weird, and maybe we should put it aside.  That aside, doesn't it strike you as pretty neat how the sum of the square of the CRs appears twice in the X/Y formula- once for the monsters, and once for the characters?  If you want low level characters to level up faster, use a more even division, such as the (X/Y)*N formula.  X is 300 times the sum of the square of the CRs of the monsters, Y is the sum of the square of the CRs of the characters, and N is the average level of the party.  (X/Y)*N is the xp each character gets.  Give the bulk of the story awards to the lower level characters and pretty soon everyone will be the same level.</blockquote>

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