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<blockquote data-quote="Victim" data-source="post: 4319588" data-attributes="member: 78">The lack of high epic monsters that aren't solos are elites makes that comparison more difficult.&nbsp;&nbsp; Plus there's monster roles.&nbsp; We could compare level 2 Kobold Dragonshield to the 28 Efreet - both normal monsters, both soldiers.Kobold @ level 2:HP 36.&nbsp; AC 18, F 14, R 13, W 13&nbsp;Trap Sense +2, Resist 5 (one type based on dragon), speed 5Sword attack: +7, 1d6+3 and markedDragonshield TacticsShiftyMob AttackKobold @ level 28 (+26 levels)HP: 244AC 44, F 40, R 39, W 39Sword Attack: +33, 1d6+16everything else is the sameEfreet karadjin level 28HP 260AC 44, F 45, R 42, W 42Immune to fire, speed 6, fly 8 (hover)Scimitar attack: reach 2, +27 v AC, 2d10+9 dmg (6d10+29 crit), +1d10 fire, and ongoing fire damage stuffFiery Vendetta: (IR, foe within reach attacks ally, at will): scimitar attackElemental Command (minor, at will) allied elemental creature within 10 shifts---------------------------------------------------------------------Leveling up a monster using the formula doesn't produce a monster that's too strong.&nbsp; It produces one that's too weak!&nbsp; The kobold has weaker defenses, weaker mobility, worse resistances.&nbsp; The Efreet's sort of marking like ability seems much better.&nbsp; The Efreet hits harder - its vanilla damage is about the same, but has a high crit type ability, bonus fire damage immediately, and ongoing fire 15+immo with another ongoing fire 15 as an after effect.&nbsp; The kobold is more accurate though, but his attack still seems weaker considering the huge difference in damage.Monsters are supposed to get MORE than the basic +level to their big stats in special abilities, bigger weapons, etc.Not really, since groups are supposed to be picking up power bonuses to various stats during the encounter from each other's special abilities.&nbsp; For instance, a 16th level Battle Captain is passing out his INT mod as a power bonus to attacks on an ally as a minor action while healing them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Victim, post: 4319588, member: 78"] The lack of high epic monsters that aren't solos are elites makes that comparison more difficult. Plus there's monster roles. We could compare level 2 Kobold Dragonshield to the 28 Efreet - both normal monsters, both soldiers. Kobold @ level 2: HP 36. AC 18, F 14, R 13, W 13 Trap Sense +2, Resist 5 (one type based on dragon), speed 5 Sword attack: +7, 1d6+3 and marked Dragonshield Tactics Shifty Mob Attack Kobold @ level 28 (+26 levels) HP: 244 AC 44, F 40, R 39, W 39 Sword Attack: +33, 1d6+16 everything else is the same Efreet karadjin level 28 HP 260 AC 44, F 45, R 42, W 42 Immune to fire, speed 6, fly 8 (hover) Scimitar attack: reach 2, +27 v AC, 2d10+9 dmg (6d10+29 crit), +1d10 fire, and ongoing fire damage stuff Fiery Vendetta: (IR, foe within reach attacks ally, at will): scimitar attack Elemental Command (minor, at will) allied elemental creature within 10 shifts --------------------------------------------------------------------- Leveling up a monster using the formula doesn't produce a monster that's too strong. It produces one that's too weak! The kobold has weaker defenses, weaker mobility, worse resistances. The Efreet's sort of marking like ability seems much better. The Efreet hits harder - its vanilla damage is about the same, but has a high crit type ability, bonus fire damage immediately, and ongoing fire 15+immo with another ongoing fire 15 as an after effect. The kobold is more accurate though, but his attack still seems weaker considering the huge difference in damage. Monsters are supposed to get MORE than the basic +level to their big stats in special abilities, bigger weapons, etc. Not really, since groups are supposed to be picking up power bonuses to various stats during the encounter from each other's special abilities. For instance, a 16th level Battle Captain is passing out his INT mod as a power bonus to attacks on an ally as a minor action while healing them. [/QUOTE]

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