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<blockquote data-quote="Kraydak" data-source="post: 4319685" data-attributes="member: 12306">Yup.Look at the dragon: to hit you need a 16 to hit vs AC, forget about fort.&nbsp; At best, you are looking at needing a 13 (Will).&nbsp; Remember, Solos only get +2 to 3 defenses.What was I predicting?&nbsp; 0.15*lvl lag.&nbsp; At lvl 30, this is 4.5.&nbsp; From a rough starting point of 50% (you hit slightly better than that at low levels, against even opponents).&nbsp; I nailed it.How about the dragon's attacks?&nbsp; He needs an 8 (6) to hit vs AC, 4 vs good defenses, misses on a 1 versus non-good defenses.&nbsp; For AC, I predicted a 0.1*lvl=3 shortcoming.&nbsp; Solos get no bonuses to hit.&nbsp; I nailed it.&nbsp; Same with the other defenses (only a larger shortfall).In conclusion: I nailed it.&nbsp; Against a level even foe, accounting for the +2 to 3 defenses, the party is at a net -7 to 8 relative needed to-hit numbers, and is missing continuously.Do feats help?&nbsp; Not really.&nbsp; The +2 to F/R/W might get you out of &quot;miss on 1&quot; status.&nbsp; Armor Spec still leaves you very badly off.&nbsp; There isn't much (anything) for to-hits.Now, at low levels, parties frequently find themselves facing opponents of higher level (very, very frequently).&nbsp; The Dragon, however, is powerful enough *already* that any modifications to his level have a huge effect because he is near the edge effects of needing 20s to hit him.&nbsp; A lvl+2 solo is doable for a lvl 1 party.&nbsp; Here however, the melee types are going to be needing *18*s to hit an advanced to lvl 32 dragon, dropping melee offense by *40%*.One of the advantages of keeping to-hits near 50% is that you are not overly sensitive to small bonuses.&nbsp; In 4e's Epic tier, the attempt to stay near 50% has failed, and modifying monster levels becomes very, very dangerous.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kraydak, post: 4319685, member: 12306"] Yup. Look at the dragon: to hit you need a 16 to hit vs AC, forget about fort. At best, you are looking at needing a 13 (Will). Remember, Solos only get +2 to 3 defenses. What was I predicting? 0.15*lvl lag. At lvl 30, this is 4.5. From a rough starting point of 50% (you hit slightly better than that at low levels, against even opponents). I nailed it. How about the dragon's attacks? He needs an 8 (6) to hit vs AC, 4 vs good defenses, misses on a 1 versus non-good defenses. For AC, I predicted a 0.1*lvl=3 shortcoming. Solos get no bonuses to hit. I nailed it. Same with the other defenses (only a larger shortfall). In conclusion: I nailed it. Against a level even foe, accounting for the +2 to 3 defenses, the party is at a net -7 to 8 relative needed to-hit numbers, and is missing continuously. Do feats help? Not really. The +2 to F/R/W might get you out of "miss on 1" status. Armor Spec still leaves you very badly off. There isn't much (anything) for to-hits. Now, at low levels, parties frequently find themselves facing opponents of higher level (very, very frequently). The Dragon, however, is powerful enough *already* that any modifications to his level have a huge effect because he is near the edge effects of needing 20s to hit him. A lvl+2 solo is doable for a lvl 1 party. Here however, the melee types are going to be needing *18*s to hit an advanced to lvl 32 dragon, dropping melee offense by *40%*. One of the advantages of keeping to-hits near 50% is that you are not overly sensitive to small bonuses. In 4e's Epic tier, the attempt to stay near 50% has failed, and modifying monster levels becomes very, very dangerous. [/QUOTE]

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