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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8086071" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>Thelanis doesn't equate to it, there are some similarities but saying thelanis is eberron's feywild is like saying that <a href="https://www.nasa.gov/feature/ames/mars-rover-tests-driving-drilling-and-detecting-life-in-chile-s-high-desert" target="_blank">chile's Atacama desert</a> is earth's mars when it's really just that there are enough similarities for it to be useful enough for testing. It's also worth noting that darksun has it's own<a href="https://darksun.fandom.com/wiki/Cosmology" target="_blank"> planar structure</a> & 4e's inserting of the feywild into it to fit Mystara/FR elves as is there was a huge & bizarre conflicting mess in that setting too. With the planes, they really just need to bite the bullet & say that each crystal sphere has its own planes that may or may not cross or duplicate across spheres rather than adding & changing the planes of other settings with incompatible planar structures. The fact that it's always the great wheel/planescape planes of fr & mystara both invading other settings <em>and</em> lore always hooking onto that set of planar tropes but never the other way around makes it extra problematic.</p><p></p><p>The snip from was eberron campaign setting, the two 5e pages were from <a href="https://www.dmsguild.com/product/315887/Exploring-Eberron" target="_blank">exploring eberron</a>. The whole free willed mortal/immortal lacking free will is more tied to their nature. If your familiar with the dresden files books It's a lot like the fey there & the author really gets into it there... but the concept in eberron also exteds to demons (fiends both devil & demon aren't differentiated) celestials &Demon Overlords. Whatever they are puts limits on their free will & they would become something else if they go too far outside those limits. Keith wrote a handful of short articles about thelanis/individuals within it/artifacts & curses from there/etc tagged thelanis <a href="http://keith-baker.com/tag/thelanis/" target="_blank">here</a> that might shed some light <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>WRT the even a druid yea probably but keep in mind that <a href="http://keith-baker.com/druids-in-eberron/" target="_blank">eberron's druid sects</a> are <em>nothing</em> like standard FR druids* & many of them are deep on the <a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlueAndOrangeMorality" target="_blank">blue & orange morality</a> axis where they believe themselves to be standing against an apocalypse or similar that makes hood & evil or traditional captain planet style druidic protector of nature tropes somewhat beneath their concern (or some perversion of it is their concern).</p><p></p><p>The Eladrin>elves>khorivar(half elf) all consider themselves more distinct races than cousins/related for various reasons. like the elf<>half elf stuff dicussed earlier but elves kinda started as outsiders even in 3.5 <a href="https://manifest.zone/khoravar-half-elves/" target="_blank">more</a>.</p><p></p><p>tryig to put dreams in thelanis is a huge mess that causes conflict within the setting itself though because Dal Quor is the...</p><p>[spoiler="Plane of Dreams"]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]126096[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]126097[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>That kinda thing is why it was so problematic when 4e said $plane was eberron's $mystaraPlane. There are about 5-10 min of discussion on each of the planes <a href="https://manifest.zone/cosmology/" target="_blank">here</a></p><p></p><p>.*omgomgomgomgpleasepleasepleasepleasedontjustbetreehuginghippiesinA5e <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8086071, member: 93670"] Thelanis doesn't equate to it, there are some similarities but saying thelanis is eberron's feywild is like saying that [URL='https://www.nasa.gov/feature/ames/mars-rover-tests-driving-drilling-and-detecting-life-in-chile-s-high-desert']chile's Atacama desert[/URL] is earth's mars when it's really just that there are enough similarities for it to be useful enough for testing. It's also worth noting that darksun has it's own[URL='https://darksun.fandom.com/wiki/Cosmology'] planar structure[/URL] & 4e's inserting of the feywild into it to fit Mystara/FR elves as is there was a huge & bizarre conflicting mess in that setting too. With the planes, they really just need to bite the bullet & say that each crystal sphere has its own planes that may or may not cross or duplicate across spheres rather than adding & changing the planes of other settings with incompatible planar structures. The fact that it's always the great wheel/planescape planes of fr & mystara both invading other settings [I]and[/I] lore always hooking onto that set of planar tropes but never the other way around makes it extra problematic. The snip from was eberron campaign setting, the two 5e pages were from [URL='https://www.dmsguild.com/product/315887/Exploring-Eberron']exploring eberron[/URL]. The whole free willed mortal/immortal lacking free will is more tied to their nature. If your familiar with the dresden files books It's a lot like the fey there & the author really gets into it there... but the concept in eberron also exteds to demons (fiends both devil & demon aren't differentiated) celestials &Demon Overlords. Whatever they are puts limits on their free will & they would become something else if they go too far outside those limits. Keith wrote a handful of short articles about thelanis/individuals within it/artifacts & curses from there/etc tagged thelanis [URL='http://keith-baker.com/tag/thelanis/']here[/URL] that might shed some light :D WRT the even a druid yea probably but keep in mind that [URL='http://keith-baker.com/druids-in-eberron/']eberron's druid sects[/URL] are [I]nothing[/I] like standard FR druids* & many of them are deep on the [URL='https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlueAndOrangeMorality']blue & orange morality[/URL] axis where they believe themselves to be standing against an apocalypse or similar that makes hood & evil or traditional captain planet style druidic protector of nature tropes somewhat beneath their concern (or some perversion of it is their concern). The Eladrin>elves>khorivar(half elf) all consider themselves more distinct races than cousins/related for various reasons. like the elf<>half elf stuff dicussed earlier but elves kinda started as outsiders even in 3.5 [URL='https://manifest.zone/khoravar-half-elves/']more[/URL]. tryig to put dreams in thelanis is a huge mess that causes conflict within the setting itself though because Dal Quor is the... [spoiler="Plane of Dreams"] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1599881181518.png"]126096[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1599881201506.png"]126097[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] That kinda thing is why it was so problematic when 4e said $plane was eberron's $mystaraPlane. There are about 5-10 min of discussion on each of the planes [URL='https://manifest.zone/cosmology/']here[/URL] .*omgomgomgomgpleasepleasepleasepleasedontjustbetreehuginghippiesinA5e :D [/QUOTE]
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