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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8086605" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>It's great to say that, but it only works for one step. Once you start saying that x is tied to Y like so in #settingA & Z is the Y of $SettingB so X is tied to Z in the same way in $otherSetting or continue three & four plus steps out you are no longer converting something & just polluting settingB. It's meaningless to admit that " It doesn't need to be Forgotten Realms" while trying to explain how it really is just FR's if you squint & it is certainly ignoring the elephant in the room where wotc <em>only </em>talks about the super cross compatible FR/mystara feywild close to a hundred percent of the time.</p><p>[spoiler="These settings come with warning labels even!"]</p><p>[spoiler="darksun 2e"]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]126132[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]126133[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>[spoiler="darksun 4e eight characteristics of athas"]</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]126136[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]126137[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p></p><p>[spoiler="3.5 ten things you need to know"]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]126130[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]126131[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p></p><p>[spoiler="eberron 4e 10 important facts"]</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]126128[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]126129[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>It was clear that people were looking at ten important facts & stopping at the first sentence of the first point so they were reworded to be more explicit</p><p>[spoiler="eberron 5e"]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]126126[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>The elves are different, the planar structure is different, the world baselines are different in many ways, the races are different, the fey are different. These settings have always made that clear from the start & they are not improved by dumping an entire marysue string of interconnected incompatible lore into the setting from some other setting as it in in that other setting. FR/Planescape is not harmed by other settings saying that things are different in their own crystal sphere, but those other settings <em>are</em> harmed when wotc & fans of fr/planescape insist on saying that $settingSpecificThing is that setting's $thingFromFR/Planescape so they can loredump entire lore chains as is from FR/Planescape.</p><p></p><p>Icewind Dale sorta bears some passing resemblance to the free city of Tyr if you squint & ignore a bunch of differences. FR is totally ready to import the whole cleansing wars kicked off by Rajaat & associated total genocide of multiple races along with his various champions( The sorcerer kings) complete with their power base no trouble right? </p><p></p><p>Waterdeep sorta bears some passing resemblance to Sharn in that they are both the highest population city in their setting waterdeep is just FR's sharn if you squint & ignore a bunch of differences. Waterdeep totally has skycoaches, mile high towers, dragonmarked houses complete with all of their lore & we all know that the dragonmarked houses played a big role in the last war so they did the same in FR with no harm to FR right?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8086605, member: 93670"] It's great to say that, but it only works for one step. Once you start saying that x is tied to Y like so in #settingA & Z is the Y of $SettingB so X is tied to Z in the same way in $otherSetting or continue three & four plus steps out you are no longer converting something & just polluting settingB. It's meaningless to admit that " It doesn't need to be Forgotten Realms" while trying to explain how it really is just FR's if you squint & it is certainly ignoring the elephant in the room where wotc [I]only [/I]talks about the super cross compatible FR/mystara feywild close to a hundred percent of the time. [spoiler="These settings come with warning labels even!"] [spoiler="darksun 2e"] [ATTACH type="full"]126132[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]126133[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] [spoiler="darksun 4e eight characteristics of athas"] [ATTACH type="full"]126136[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]126137[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] [spoiler="3.5 ten things you need to know"] [ATTACH type="full"]126130[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]126131[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] [spoiler="eberron 4e 10 important facts"] [ATTACH type="full"]126128[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]126129[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] It was clear that people were looking at ten important facts & stopping at the first sentence of the first point so they were reworded to be more explicit [spoiler="eberron 5e"] [ATTACH type="full"]126126[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] [/spoiler] The elves are different, the planar structure is different, the world baselines are different in many ways, the races are different, the fey are different. These settings have always made that clear from the start & they are not improved by dumping an entire marysue string of interconnected incompatible lore into the setting from some other setting as it in in that other setting. FR/Planescape is not harmed by other settings saying that things are different in their own crystal sphere, but those other settings [I]are[/I] harmed when wotc & fans of fr/planescape insist on saying that $settingSpecificThing is that setting's $thingFromFR/Planescape so they can loredump entire lore chains as is from FR/Planescape. Icewind Dale sorta bears some passing resemblance to the free city of Tyr if you squint & ignore a bunch of differences. FR is totally ready to import the whole cleansing wars kicked off by Rajaat & associated total genocide of multiple races along with his various champions( The sorcerer kings) complete with their power base no trouble right? Waterdeep sorta bears some passing resemblance to Sharn in that they are both the highest population city in their setting waterdeep is just FR's sharn if you squint & ignore a bunch of differences. Waterdeep totally has skycoaches, mile high towers, dragonmarked houses complete with all of their lore & we all know that the dragonmarked houses played a big role in the last war so they did the same in FR with no harm to FR right? [/QUOTE]
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