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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8082714" data-attributes="member: 93670">Yea I found it later after I posted that.  Choose any skill should absolutely go as it says there was no reason to bother limiting skills given/chosen.  The default classes get[spoiler="phb class skills"]Artificer: gives Arcana, History, Investigation, Medicine, Nature, Perception, &Sleight of Hand<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sage gives History, & one of Arcana or Religion  So any four skills </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Guild Artisan gives Persuasion, & one of Insight or History.  So Persuasion, one from artificer, & any two</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Noble gives History, & one of Animal Handling or Persuasion.  So one artificer skill, one of animal handling or persuade, & any two.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sage gives History, and one of Arcana or Religion.  So any four skills</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hermit gives Religion, and one of Survival or Medicine.  So any four skills.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Folk Hero gives Survival, and one of Animal Handling or Nature. So one from artificer, survival, & any two.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sailor gives Athletics, and one of Acrobatics or Perception. So one artificer, athletics, & any two skills</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Charlatan gives Deception, and either Sleight of Hand or Insight.  So deception & one artificer pus any two.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Urchin gives Sleight of Hand, and one of Deception or Stealth.  So Sleight of hand, one artificer, plus any two</li> </ul>Barbarian: 2 from animal handling, athletics, intimidation, nature, perception, & survival<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Nomad gives Survival skill, and your choice of either Animal Handling, Medicine, Nature, or Perception...  So any four skills </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Folk Hero gives  Survival, and one of Animal Handling or Nature. So any four skills </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Noble gives History, and one of Animal Handling or Persuasion. So History, one from the barbarian list, and any two other skills.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Soldier Athletics, and one of Animal Handling or Intimidation. So any four skills </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Outlander gives Survival, and one of Athletics or Intimidation. So any four skills </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sailor gives Athletics, and one of Acrobatics or Perception. So any four skills</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Criminal gives Stealth, and either Deception or Intimidation.  So Stealth, 1 from the barbarian list, & any two.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hermit gives Religion, and one of Survival or Medicine.  So religion,  from barbarian, & any two.</li> </ul>Bard: Any 3<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Depending on your reading, this actually works against the bard because even though it's the only class with any skill options at first it doesn't get the same skill from a background as a result so is limited to the background's skills as offered.</li> </ul>Cleric: Two from history, insight, medicine, persuasion, & religion<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Noble gives History, and one of Animal Handling or Persuasion.  So any four.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sage gives History, and one of Arcana or Religion.  So any four</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hermit gives Religion, and one of Survival or Medicine.  So any four.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Acloyte gives Religion, and either Insight or Persuasion.  So one cleric, religion, & any two.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Entertainer gives Performance, and one of Acrobatics or Persuasion.  So one cleric, performance, & any two</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Guild Artisan gives Persuasion, & one of Insight or History.  So any four.</li> </ul>Druid: Two from  Arcana, Animal handling, insight, medicine, nature, perception, religion, & survival<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sage gives History, and one of Arcana or Religion. So any four</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Nomad gives Survival skill, and your choice of either Animal Handling, Medicine, Nature, or Perception...  So any four skills </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Folk Hero gives  Survival, and one of Animal Handling or Nature. So any four skills </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Noble gives History, and one of Animal Handling or Persuasion. So History, one from the Druid list, and any two other skills.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Soldier Athletics, and one of Animal Handling or Intimidation. So any four skills </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hermit gives Religion, and one of Survival or Medicine.  So any four.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I'm tired of showing that more backgrounds give access to any skill choices than not</li> </ul>Fighter: Two from  Acrobatics, Animal Handling, Athletics, History, Insight, Intimidation, Perception, & SurvivalMonk: Two from Acrobatics, Athletics, History, Insight, Religion, and StealthPaladin: Athletics, Insight, Intimidation, Medicine, Persuasion, & ReligionRanger: Three from Animal Handling,Athletics, Insight, Investigation, Nature, Perception, Stealth, & SurvivalRogue: Four from Acrobatics, Athletics, Deception. Insight, Intimidation, Investigation, Perception, Performance. Persuasion, Sleight of Hand, & Stealth<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You mentioned rogue sage though so I'll fill this in...</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Outlander gives Survival, and one of Athletics or Intimidation. So three rogue, survival, & any two skills</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sailor gives Athletics, and one of Acrobatics or Perception. So any six skills</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Soldier Athletics, and one of Animal Handling or Intimidation. So any six skills </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Entertainer gives Performance, and one of Acrobatics or Persuasion.  So  any six.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Charlatan gives Deception, and either Sleight of Hand or Insight.  So any six.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Criminal gives Stealth, and either Deception or Intimidation.  So any six.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Urchin gives Sleight of Hand, and one of Deception or Stealth.  So any Six.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Entertainer gives Performance, and one of Acrobatics or Persuasion.  So any six</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Guild Artisan gives Persuasion, & one of Insight or History.  So any six.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Noble gives History, and one of Animal Handling or Persuasion.  So any six.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Acloyte gives Religion, and either Insight or Persuasion.  So three rogue, history,  & any two.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sage: gives History, and one of Arcana or Religion. So four from rogue, history, & either arcana or religion.</li> </ul>Sorcerer: Two from  Arcana, Deception, Insight, Intimidation, Persuasion, & ReligionWarlock: Two from Arcana,Deception, History, Intimidation, Investigation, Nature, & ReligionWizard: Two from  Arcana, History, Insight, Investigation, Medicine, & Religion[/spoiler]There are 12 backgrounds. Investigation is not on any background.  Arcana & Medicine is only given by the sage background.  Stealth is only given by Criminal & urchin.  Clearly there are some skills that should be limited in who can take them trivially & there is a purpose to limiting what skills a player can choose from, but making it so braindead trivial to circumvent without opportunity cost beyond not choosing some other skill devalues the benefit of having a class/background that gets it.  Your rogue sage is not "gimped" because you took sage, your gimped because you didn't take one of the backgrounds that gives you any six skills plus what could be a more useful background feature to a rogue.... It literally works against the purpose you say it's intended for.</blockquote>

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