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<blockquote data-quote="Staffan" data-source="post: 8229568" data-attributes="member: 907"><p>I think it sounds <strong>exactly</strong> like a D&D cleric. Take Adon from the Avatar trilogy. His job is to be an adventurer. He's part of an adventuring company together with Kelemvor the fighter and Cyric the thief. He's a cleric of Sune, but we don't really see him preaching or anything of the sort.</p><p></p><p>Or take OG Fzoul Chembryl, who is one of the co-leaders of the Zhentarim. He's not their chaplain, he's their boss. He would of course like to see the faith of Bane flourish within the ranks, but that's definitely not a requirement for membership (and the co-boss, Manshoon, worships Mystra).</p><p></p><p>Or why not Fall-From-Grace, from Planescape: Torment. She's a Lawful Neutral Succubus cleric who runs the Brothel of Slaking Intellectual Lusts, where the ladies working there primarily engage customers in conversation about themselves. It is unclear whether she even worships a particular god or if she draws power from something else. But she doesn't seem to have any particular network outside of her establishment, and we don't see her preaching about anything.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think the abilities as written are particularly loose. You're either a preacher who's good at attracting crowds, a ceremonial leader with strong social ties to your order or congregation, or someone who's looking to talk up their god or equivalent at any opportunity. The closest of these to being generic is Zeal of the Convert, which still references "pious" people.</p><p></p><p>I would want these types of abilitites to be available to any class, not just clerics, because any class should be able to be a religious leader. A priest of Mystra would be just as likely to be a wizard or sorcerer as a cleric.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Staffan, post: 8229568, member: 907"] I think it sounds [B]exactly[/B] like a D&D cleric. Take Adon from the Avatar trilogy. His job is to be an adventurer. He's part of an adventuring company together with Kelemvor the fighter and Cyric the thief. He's a cleric of Sune, but we don't really see him preaching or anything of the sort. Or take OG Fzoul Chembryl, who is one of the co-leaders of the Zhentarim. He's not their chaplain, he's their boss. He would of course like to see the faith of Bane flourish within the ranks, but that's definitely not a requirement for membership (and the co-boss, Manshoon, worships Mystra). Or why not Fall-From-Grace, from Planescape: Torment. She's a Lawful Neutral Succubus cleric who runs the Brothel of Slaking Intellectual Lusts, where the ladies working there primarily engage customers in conversation about themselves. It is unclear whether she even worships a particular god or if she draws power from something else. But she doesn't seem to have any particular network outside of her establishment, and we don't see her preaching about anything. I don't think the abilities as written are particularly loose. You're either a preacher who's good at attracting crowds, a ceremonial leader with strong social ties to your order or congregation, or someone who's looking to talk up their god or equivalent at any opportunity. The closest of these to being generic is Zeal of the Convert, which still references "pious" people. I would want these types of abilitites to be available to any class, not just clerics, because any class should be able to be a religious leader. A priest of Mystra would be just as likely to be a wizard or sorcerer as a cleric. [/QUOTE]
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