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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8259567" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>It's definitely <a href="https://youtu.be/JsVtHqICeKE?t=260" target="_blank"><em>something</em></a> yes, but fitting it to deception is almost as bad as fitting it to stealth & it doesn't often have much to do with being charismatic or dexterous. That kind of overt social engineering is more about looking the part & proactively cloaking yourself in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somebody_else%27s_problem" target="_blank">SEP</a> with the way you dress & who you appear to be avoids the need to switch gears to deception when the authorities show up.</p><p></p><p>This kind of stuff is <em>often</em> technical(dirty or hazardous trades, computers/arcana/etc) because it makes the eyes glaze over & interest wane but other times just looking too unimportant to care about works just as well. </p><p>at least the 3.5 & 5e bluff/deception</p><p>[spoiler]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]136231[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]136232[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>focus largely about telling a lie after being caught or hiding the truth rather than doing something proactive <em>(probably int wis or both)</em> to overtly & brazenly just seem to be something else making it kinda fall into a weird limbo where the skills don't really fit so it's often unconsidered since it doesn't really fit disguise well either.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-dressed-armored-truck-driver-walks-out-walmart-75-000-n387751" target="_blank">This guy</a> probably had to talk to someone to walk out with 75,000$ but <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUww6XHiEdo&t=3s" target="_blank">this guy</a> just walked in with a dolly hat& shirt to leave with a bunch of beer from several stores.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8259567, member: 93670"] It's definitely [URL='https://youtu.be/JsVtHqICeKE?t=260'][I]something[/I][/URL][I] [/I]yes, but fitting it to deception is almost as bad as fitting it to stealth & it doesn't often have much to do with being charismatic or dexterous. That kind of overt social engineering is more about looking the part & proactively cloaking yourself in [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somebody_else%27s_problem']SEP[/URL] with the way you dress & who you appear to be avoids the need to switch gears to deception when the authorities show up. This kind of stuff is [I]often[/I] technical(dirty or hazardous trades, computers/arcana/etc) because it makes the eyes glaze over & interest wane but other times just looking too unimportant to care about works just as well. at least the 3.5 & 5e bluff/deception [spoiler] [ATTACH type="full"]136231[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]136232[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] focus largely about telling a lie after being caught or hiding the truth rather than doing something proactive [I](probably int wis or both)[/I] to overtly & brazenly just seem to be something else making it kinda fall into a weird limbo where the skills don't really fit so it's often unconsidered since it doesn't really fit disguise well either. [URL='https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-dressed-armored-truck-driver-walks-out-walmart-75-000-n387751']This guy[/URL] probably had to talk to someone to walk out with 75,000$ but [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUww6XHiEdo&t=3s']this guy[/URL] just walked in with a dolly hat& shirt to leave with a bunch of beer from several stores. [/QUOTE]
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