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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hassassin" data-source="post: 5853834" data-attributes="member: 6675228">With 20 levels it's much harder to remember which level a spell is or which spells are on a given level. It worked with 4e powers, but probably wouldn't with a traditional Vancian system.Nine levels is a bit high too, seven might be better if inventing them from the ground up, but it works ok, because you need the lower levels more.I don't think it's a huge problem that they use 'level' for two mismatching numbers, since it doesn't matter at first level when a beginner creates a character. If they would change the name, it might as well be class based. For example, rank for wizards, order for clerics and circle for druids.</blockquote>