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<blockquote data-quote="Mephista" data-source="post: 6791129" data-attributes="member: 6786252"><p>Personally, I would put Aragorn as an Ancient Paladin with a background that got him those wilderness skills. We don't need a Ranger chasis for the wilderness skills, and the holy sword, "hands are a healer" bits reflect the paladin more than they do the Ranger. But that aside... the sheer scope of healings that Aragorn performed is a pretty big hint that he's not just a low level character.</p><p></p><p>As for that article on Gandalf... Talk about prejudice. Sure, all those spells could have been lower level. But look at the high level spells, especially the evocations. Chain Lightning. Delayed Blast Fireball. Project Image. Sure, Gandalf didnt' cast Meteor. But lots of high level spells are simply improved versions of lower level ones. The man solo'd a Balrog, and cast tons of spells while doing it. He also had a sword-and-staff combination, implying he was a Bladesinger, which hints he could have been using spell slots to absorb damage in D&D terms. He used Dominate Person on Saruman as well, assuming that he didn't need Dominate Monster (angel-in-flesh and all). Fireballs and lightning bolts are iconic spells. Just because a character primarily uses those does not mean that we're dealign with a level 5 wizard. And the man DID solo a Balor. That alone should hint at a higher level. Gandalf was often offscreen, and we never got a good look at his full powers. The books went out of their way to prevent him from going all out.</p><p></p><p>Conan in the novels might have had trouble with a dinosaur, but the Conan in the cartoon dealt with a snake god and demons. So, I'm going to have to ask which Conan we're modeling here. Because there's more than one.</p><p></p><p>Sometimes abilities are exaggerated. Othertimes? We can't ignore the abilities that hint at the higher levels either.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mephista, post: 6791129, member: 6786252"] Personally, I would put Aragorn as an Ancient Paladin with a background that got him those wilderness skills. We don't need a Ranger chasis for the wilderness skills, and the holy sword, "hands are a healer" bits reflect the paladin more than they do the Ranger. But that aside... the sheer scope of healings that Aragorn performed is a pretty big hint that he's not just a low level character. As for that article on Gandalf... Talk about prejudice. Sure, all those spells could have been lower level. But look at the high level spells, especially the evocations. Chain Lightning. Delayed Blast Fireball. Project Image. Sure, Gandalf didnt' cast Meteor. But lots of high level spells are simply improved versions of lower level ones. The man solo'd a Balrog, and cast tons of spells while doing it. He also had a sword-and-staff combination, implying he was a Bladesinger, which hints he could have been using spell slots to absorb damage in D&D terms. He used Dominate Person on Saruman as well, assuming that he didn't need Dominate Monster (angel-in-flesh and all). Fireballs and lightning bolts are iconic spells. Just because a character primarily uses those does not mean that we're dealign with a level 5 wizard. And the man DID solo a Balor. That alone should hint at a higher level. Gandalf was often offscreen, and we never got a good look at his full powers. The books went out of their way to prevent him from going all out. Conan in the novels might have had trouble with a dinosaur, but the Conan in the cartoon dealt with a snake god and demons. So, I'm going to have to ask which Conan we're modeling here. Because there's more than one. Sometimes abilities are exaggerated. Othertimes? We can't ignore the abilities that hint at the higher levels either. [/QUOTE]
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