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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6852478" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>Time for a bit of modest necromancy, after having been sent to this thread by another one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In Tower of the Elephant, Conan defeats a lion with a single blow from his sword. He also jumps very high, and is extremely stealthy.</p><p></p><p>The single-blow kill is hard to emulate in D&D, but these all suggest STR and DEX towards the upper end of the range.</p><p></p><p>He also befriends Yogay, and at least makes an impression on Taurus. This doesn't suggest a low CHA. And the sharpness of his senses belies a low WIS.</p><p></p><p>If I had to nominate a dump-stat for Tower of the Elephant Conan it would be INT.</p><p></p><p>The DEX, CHA and WIS of this "Conan" all seem to low to me - he won't notice silent lions trying to surprise him; won't be able to make friends with Yogah (or, more generally, have every woman he meets swoon into his arms); and probably isn't one of the stealthiest people around either.</p><p></p><p>I think Conan is very hard to build within the constraints for PCs because he is superb in respect of STR, DEX and CON. Given that a 5e CR 2bandit captain has STR 15, DEX 16 and CON 14, we can say that Conan has to be at least 16 to 18 in each of these physical stats. But he is also no slouch in WIS (amazing sense) and CHA (he can Intimidate, impress, woo, lead soldiers, and in general makes a tremendous impression on whomever he meets). INT is the closest thing to a dump stat (at least until we get to The Phoenix on the Sword and The Hour of the Dragon - and even then it's probably not above 12, or "Very Intelligent" in the old AD&D scale).</p><p></p><p>I would therefore conjecture STR 18 to 20, CON 18, DEX 16+, INT 8 to 12 depending on story, WIS 14 to 16, CHA 14+.</p><p></p><p>The Star Wars characters are not such paragons of human excellence, and should be easier to achieve within normal PC stat ranges. Likewise I think for many of the LotR characters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6852478, member: 42582"] Time for a bit of modest necromancy, after having been sent to this thread by another one. In Tower of the Elephant, Conan defeats a lion with a single blow from his sword. He also jumps very high, and is extremely stealthy. The single-blow kill is hard to emulate in D&D, but these all suggest STR and DEX towards the upper end of the range. He also befriends Yogay, and at least makes an impression on Taurus. This doesn't suggest a low CHA. And the sharpness of his senses belies a low WIS. If I had to nominate a dump-stat for Tower of the Elephant Conan it would be INT. The DEX, CHA and WIS of this "Conan" all seem to low to me - he won't notice silent lions trying to surprise him; won't be able to make friends with Yogah (or, more generally, have every woman he meets swoon into his arms); and probably isn't one of the stealthiest people around either. I think Conan is very hard to build within the constraints for PCs because he is superb in respect of STR, DEX and CON. Given that a 5e CR 2bandit captain has STR 15, DEX 16 and CON 14, we can say that Conan has to be at least 16 to 18 in each of these physical stats. But he is also no slouch in WIS (amazing sense) and CHA (he can Intimidate, impress, woo, lead soldiers, and in general makes a tremendous impression on whomever he meets). INT is the closest thing to a dump stat (at least until we get to The Phoenix on the Sword and The Hour of the Dragon - and even then it's probably not above 12, or "Very Intelligent" in the old AD&D scale). I would therefore conjecture STR 18 to 20, CON 18, DEX 16+, INT 8 to 12 depending on story, WIS 14 to 16, CHA 14+. The Star Wars characters are not such paragons of human excellence, and should be easier to achieve within normal PC stat ranges. Likewise I think for many of the LotR characters. [/QUOTE]
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