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<blockquote data-quote="RolandOfGilead" data-source="post: 1864016" data-attributes="member: 7140">Hello everyone! &nbsp;I am considering taking Undead leadership as my feat and getting either an allip or shadow cohort.&nbsp;That's how I became interested in ghostly grasp.Ghostly Grasp (Monstrous)You handle corporeal objects even while incorporeal.Prereq: Cha 15, Incorporeal subtype.Benefit: You can wear, wield, and otherwise use corporeal items as though you were not incorporeal.Special: Without this feat, an incorporeal creature can only wear or wield items that have the ghost touch special ability.&nbsp;Seems simple on the face of it, but where do I calculate the equipments effect on the creatures movement? How much can it lift? &nbsp;Seeking answers to these questions, I called WOTC cust support.&quot;errm.. I would say you would use the normal strength for a human, 10.&quot;Later, I found the incorporealness entry on page 140+141 and after reading, I came to the conclusion that&nbsp; you would probably be better served using charisma as a substitute for strength.&nbsp; However, on page 141, paragraph 4 and 5, it turned out I had a new question:&nbsp; According to the text, the equipment an incorporeal creature wears turns incorporeal with it. What the heck does that mean? Well, I kind of hoped it meant that you could choose to make the equipment you picked up using ghost grasp incorporeal if you wanted to.&nbsp;&nbsp; Again, I called customer support.&quot;Yes, you can get an armor bonus from platemail using this feat to don platemail.&quot;&quot;Ok, can I make my platemail go incorporeal as per page 141 if I decide to walk through a wall?&quot;&quot;(reads). um no, your platemail becomes incorporeal as soon as you don it. its not corporeal anymore.&quot;&quot;What? Ok but then I cant pick up a sword and hit a corporeal pc with it?&quot;&quot;Thats right.&quot;&quot;Doesn't that mean that the platemail, now incorporeal, would no longer provide its armor bonus?&quot;&quot;errm I see what you mean. No, it still provides an armor bonus.&quot;&quot;But Ghostform from Tome &amp; Blood says incorporeal creatures lose their armor bonus.&quot;&quot;Tome &amp; Blood is outdated material. Unless you find something somewhere that says incorporeal creatures get no armor bonus from incorporeal armor I'm inclined to believe I'm right.&quot;&nbsp;ARGH! Ok, I thought the whole point of ghostly grasp is to pick up corporeal items and use them in the CORPOREAL world. Anyone else wanna pipe in? Please? It says &quot;As though you were not incorporeal.&quot;If someone knows the sages email can you send it to me or ask him for me? thanks,A confused necromancer!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RolandOfGilead, post: 1864016, member: 7140"] Hello everyone! I am considering taking Undead leadership as my feat and getting either an allip or shadow cohort. That's how I became interested in ghostly grasp. Ghostly Grasp (Monstrous) You handle corporeal objects even while incorporeal. Prereq: Cha 15, Incorporeal subtype. Benefit: You can wear, wield, and otherwise use corporeal items as though you were not incorporeal. Special: Without this feat, an incorporeal creature can only wear or wield items that have the ghost touch special ability. Seems simple on the face of it, but where do I calculate the equipments effect on the creatures movement? How much can it lift? Seeking answers to these questions, I called WOTC cust support. "errm.. I would say you would use the normal strength for a human, 10." Later, I found the incorporealness entry on page 140+141 and after reading, I came to the conclusion that you would probably be better served using charisma as a substitute for strength. However, on page 141, paragraph 4 and 5, it turned out I had a new question: According to the text, the equipment an incorporeal creature wears turns incorporeal with it. What the heck does that mean? Well, I kind of hoped it meant that you could choose to make the equipment you picked up using ghost grasp incorporeal if you wanted to. Again, I called customer support. "Yes, you can get an armor bonus from platemail using this feat to don platemail." "Ok, can I make my platemail go incorporeal as per page 141 if I decide to walk through a wall?" "(reads). um no, your platemail becomes incorporeal as soon as you don it. its not corporeal anymore." "What? Ok but then I cant pick up a sword and hit a corporeal pc with it?" "Thats right." "Doesn't that mean that the platemail, now incorporeal, would no longer provide its armor bonus?" "errm I see what you mean. No, it still provides an armor bonus." "But Ghostform from Tome & Blood says incorporeal creatures lose their armor bonus." "Tome & Blood is outdated material. Unless you find something somewhere that says incorporeal creatures get no armor bonus from incorporeal armor I'm inclined to believe I'm right." ARGH! Ok, I thought the whole point of ghostly grasp is to pick up corporeal items and use them in the CORPOREAL world. Anyone else wanna pipe in? Please? It says "As though you were not incorporeal." If someone knows the sages email can you send it to me or ask him for me? thanks, A confused necromancer! [/QUOTE]

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