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<blockquote data-quote="Big Mac" data-source="post: 4468515" data-attributes="member: 61182"><p>Hmm. Lets not forget that Wizards of the Coast was never obliged to hand out the Dragonlance licence in the first place. I wish there had been more 3.5 Dragonlance soucebooks, but if WotC hadn't given out the licence in the first place we would just have had DLCS.</p><p></p><p>It is obvious (in hindsight) that they were planning 4th edition for years. It might not be so obvious from the RPG stuff, but they have been setting up the Spellplague plot in novels knowing it is a 4e thing. I don't think it was a co-incidence the DL licence expired shortly before 4e - I think it was <strong>planned</strong> to run out before 4e.</p><p></p><p>Actually, I'm more disapointed in EN World than Hasbro, because I was hoping that the Adlatum Campaign Setting (from the Dragonlance community) would be up for a ENnie this year.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've seen other people trying to blame the lack of a renewal of the DL licence on Hasbro. You can't blame Hasbro for this (if anyone <strong>is</strong> to blame). Hasbro bought Wizards of the Coast in 1999, before 3rd edition was published. They were in charge before DLCS came out and they were already in charge of D&D when the DL licence came into operation. They were even in charge of D&D before MWP existed.</p><p></p><p>If I blame anything, it is the 4e plan for campaign settings. Back during 3rd edition WotC couldn't be bothered with campaign setting support. People complained, and they seem to have listened. Now they are saing they will bring back lots of settings. We have been told "one setting per year" is the plan.</p><p></p><p>The problem with that plan is that it would be undermined if Dragonlance carried on coming out. So to back up their plan, WotC need to get Dragonlance to "shut up" while they churn out Forgotten Realms (and almost certainly Eberron). Once they are out of the way, and WotC can publish its "three magic Dragonlance books" it will be able to consider a new licence (or other options). But the way things are now, if anything other than Forgotten Realms comes out in 2008, it will make WotC loose face.</p><p></p><p>You are not the only one who would have wanted more 3.5 DL books from MWP, but the "competition" that I think WotC is really trying to stamp out is the grognard market they have created with 3rd edition. There are people out there playing AD&D (and even OD&D) despite the fact that you really can't get hold of the books very easily. But 3rd edition has got a major presence in the market place and the d20 System licence has created a ton of compatible product lines that WotC has no power to shut down.</p><p></p><p>Things like the GSL are proof that WotC want to stop publishers from supporting their old version of D&D. IMO, it is D&D itself that WotC want to kill - the <strong>old</strong> D&D. I don't think that the Dragonlance licence is anything more than an innocent victim targeted purely because it is tied to the wrong colour of D&D.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No way is Dragonlance dead. The Dragonlance film has done so well commercially (despite complaints about animation) that the second one has got the green light and is going to get more money spent on it. The possiblity that Dragonlance will be the background of a live action motion picture is going to get closer with every animated film. As long as Dragonlance stuff sells like hot cakes, Wizards of the Coast isn't going to get rid of it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I should think that the mess that is Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide, should be enough to make fans of any other campaign setting think <strong>very</strong> carefully before moving to 4e. I would rather have <strong>no</strong> 4th edition version of Dragonlance (and keep the great 3.5 DL) than have a Dragonlance Campaign Guide that does for DL what FRCG did for FR.</p><p></p><p>Back with 3rd edition, Dragonlance Campaign Setting was published by WotC, but everything else was published by Soverign Press (and then Margeret Weis Productions). The same could be done with 4th edition. WotC could put out its splatbooks, get in the big cash and then farm out the little books, knowing that anyone wanting them would need to buy the big three books.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Big Mac, post: 4468515, member: 61182"] Hmm. Lets not forget that Wizards of the Coast was never obliged to hand out the Dragonlance licence in the first place. I wish there had been more 3.5 Dragonlance soucebooks, but if WotC hadn't given out the licence in the first place we would just have had DLCS. It is obvious (in hindsight) that they were planning 4th edition for years. It might not be so obvious from the RPG stuff, but they have been setting up the Spellplague plot in novels knowing it is a 4e thing. I don't think it was a co-incidence the DL licence expired shortly before 4e - I think it was [B]planned[/B] to run out before 4e. Actually, I'm more disapointed in EN World than Hasbro, because I was hoping that the Adlatum Campaign Setting (from the Dragonlance community) would be up for a ENnie this year. I've seen other people trying to blame the lack of a renewal of the DL licence on Hasbro. You can't blame Hasbro for this (if anyone [B]is[/B] to blame). Hasbro bought Wizards of the Coast in 1999, before 3rd edition was published. They were in charge before DLCS came out and they were already in charge of D&D when the DL licence came into operation. They were even in charge of D&D before MWP existed. If I blame anything, it is the 4e plan for campaign settings. Back during 3rd edition WotC couldn't be bothered with campaign setting support. People complained, and they seem to have listened. Now they are saing they will bring back lots of settings. We have been told "one setting per year" is the plan. The problem with that plan is that it would be undermined if Dragonlance carried on coming out. So to back up their plan, WotC need to get Dragonlance to "shut up" while they churn out Forgotten Realms (and almost certainly Eberron). Once they are out of the way, and WotC can publish its "three magic Dragonlance books" it will be able to consider a new licence (or other options). But the way things are now, if anything other than Forgotten Realms comes out in 2008, it will make WotC loose face. You are not the only one who would have wanted more 3.5 DL books from MWP, but the "competition" that I think WotC is really trying to stamp out is the grognard market they have created with 3rd edition. There are people out there playing AD&D (and even OD&D) despite the fact that you really can't get hold of the books very easily. But 3rd edition has got a major presence in the market place and the d20 System licence has created a ton of compatible product lines that WotC has no power to shut down. Things like the GSL are proof that WotC want to stop publishers from supporting their old version of D&D. IMO, it is D&D itself that WotC want to kill - the [B]old[/B] D&D. I don't think that the Dragonlance licence is anything more than an innocent victim targeted purely because it is tied to the wrong colour of D&D. No way is Dragonlance dead. The Dragonlance film has done so well commercially (despite complaints about animation) that the second one has got the green light and is going to get more money spent on it. The possiblity that Dragonlance will be the background of a live action motion picture is going to get closer with every animated film. As long as Dragonlance stuff sells like hot cakes, Wizards of the Coast isn't going to get rid of it. I should think that the mess that is Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide, should be enough to make fans of any other campaign setting think [B]very[/B] carefully before moving to 4e. I would rather have [B]no[/B] 4th edition version of Dragonlance (and keep the great 3.5 DL) than have a Dragonlance Campaign Guide that does for DL what FRCG did for FR. Back with 3rd edition, Dragonlance Campaign Setting was published by WotC, but everything else was published by Soverign Press (and then Margeret Weis Productions). The same could be done with 4th edition. WotC could put out its splatbooks, get in the big cash and then farm out the little books, knowing that anyone wanting them would need to buy the big three books. [/QUOTE]
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