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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wicht" data-source="post: 6190246" data-attributes="member: 221">I don't want to argue with you, because I know you are ready to let it go, so consider your words to merely be a launching point for an observation. I think part of the problem here is the conflation of two separate points of data as being identical in their inscrutability. We do know, (or least have a really, really, really, really strong set of data points, to indicate) that in point of fact, Pathfinder was outselling in the area of books. Evidence from multiple sources, including Paizo's own statements make the case for this factoid. Call this point A.What we do not know is the comparison to be made between electronic sales. It is possible that Paizo was on par with WotC, behind WotC or even ahead of WotC in this one arena. Without actual reporting of income and net and gross revenue streams, this is a legitimate area of fog where all we have are conjectures. We shall call this point B.Now, with these two points in mind, it is not really valid to say because nobody knows the details of point B that point A is therefore in dispute. Point A is not really in dispute by anyone that was paying attention. Lisa Stevens acknowledges the validity of point A in her comments. Many of us, in having discussions of the matter, settle on Point A because we acknowledge the futility of trying to analyze in a meaningful way, apart from the actions of the companies, point B. But, we can't all admit "we don't know," in relation to point A because some of us have a good idea that we do actually "know" point A to be true and therefore it is a viable option for legitimate discussion.</blockquote>

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