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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6205403" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Just as a point of history, virtually no WOTC content made it into the OGL, 3.5 or 3e. </p><p></p><p>As another point, the OGL was not a means by which WOTC should start giving free advertising to 3pp by including 3pp material in their products. I mean, WOTC spent millions more dollars on D&D than any single 3pp ever did. What possible advantage is there for WOTC to include 3pp material in their books?</p><p></p><p>Look, the presumption here is that 3pp material was hugely popular and made a big difference for gamers. I don't believe that it did. When the biggest selling 3pp material sold maybe 10-15000 copies, it just wasn't big enough for WOTC, where WOTC sells tens of thousands of copies of almost every book it publishes. </p><p></p><p>The only people who would benefit from WOTC putting out OGL material is the 3pp, not WOTC itself. The 3pp just didn't reach enough people to even consider it. Never minding the huge mess that 3pp made of OGL material for years all by themselves - books with broken OGL for example were hardly a rare find.</p><p></p><p>I bought OGL material. I did. I bought more than I bought WOTC material. But, I'm under no illusions as to the fact that I'm a very small minority here. </p><p></p><p>But, this isn't going to go anywhere. I look at Pathfinder and see the primary reason to not have an OGL. WOTC is spending tens of millions of dollars developing 5e. There is no benefit to allowing 3pp to piggyback on that. There just isn't, IMO. 3pp will never generate enough revenue for WOTC to justify allowing them access the way the OGL did. </p><p></p><p>There are just too many examples of licensing burning them in the end.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6205403, member: 22779"] Just as a point of history, virtually no WOTC content made it into the OGL, 3.5 or 3e. As another point, the OGL was not a means by which WOTC should start giving free advertising to 3pp by including 3pp material in their products. I mean, WOTC spent millions more dollars on D&D than any single 3pp ever did. What possible advantage is there for WOTC to include 3pp material in their books? Look, the presumption here is that 3pp material was hugely popular and made a big difference for gamers. I don't believe that it did. When the biggest selling 3pp material sold maybe 10-15000 copies, it just wasn't big enough for WOTC, where WOTC sells tens of thousands of copies of almost every book it publishes. The only people who would benefit from WOTC putting out OGL material is the 3pp, not WOTC itself. The 3pp just didn't reach enough people to even consider it. Never minding the huge mess that 3pp made of OGL material for years all by themselves - books with broken OGL for example were hardly a rare find. I bought OGL material. I did. I bought more than I bought WOTC material. But, I'm under no illusions as to the fact that I'm a very small minority here. But, this isn't going to go anywhere. I look at Pathfinder and see the primary reason to not have an OGL. WOTC is spending tens of millions of dollars developing 5e. There is no benefit to allowing 3pp to piggyback on that. There just isn't, IMO. 3pp will never generate enough revenue for WOTC to justify allowing them access the way the OGL did. There are just too many examples of licensing burning them in the end. [/QUOTE]
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