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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 6990446" data-attributes="member: 6716779">Its AD&amp;D its how encounters were designed. In AD&amp;D you could encounter level 18+ NPCs and things like liches in the mid levels. Note even in 5E a lot of NPC spell casters do not have optimised spell lists for combat. Same thing happened in AD&amp;D where you might have to worry about a fireball being cast by said lich at level 8 (and in 2E that fireball was 10d6, 18d6 1E).&nbsp;The adventure has a lot of role playing in it, the Lich if it was in 3.5 would have been a bardic lich with the lich template. The Lich is also not really a good lich as he was not transformed willingly so even though its smart it kind of lacks some of the erm cunning of a regular lich I suppose. &nbsp;Its spent 500 years waiting a prophecy as Bane/Cyric/evil BBEG type god transformed it against its will to act as a guardian. I think the PCs are 2-4 levels away from being able to handle it RAW so I am going to rewrite the encounter.&nbsp;The Lich is goian to be an AD&amp;D lich (5E quasi lich? ) so I will strip away its lair actions and/or legendary actions so it will be a level 18 spellcaster with perhaps its spells drawn from the Bard list to better match up the fluff from the adventure. &nbsp;So this lich is going to be a lot weaker than a normal lich probably CR 13 or 14. &nbsp;I still think the CR 21 lich is more like CR 15 or 16 than 21.&nbsp;My PCs are also over equipped perhaps as they have a staff of striking and a +3 intelligent longsword that you can finesse that is intelligent and can cast heal or greater restoration 1/week and it can only be attuned by a good aligned PC.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 6990446, member: 6716779"] Its AD&D its how encounters were designed. In AD&D you could encounter level 18+ NPCs and things like liches in the mid levels. Note even in 5E a lot of NPC spell casters do not have optimised spell lists for combat. Same thing happened in AD&D where you might have to worry about a fireball being cast by said lich at level 8 (and in 2E that fireball was 10d6, 18d6 1E). The adventure has a lot of role playing in it, the Lich if it was in 3.5 would have been a bardic lich with the lich template. The Lich is also not really a good lich as he was not transformed willingly so even though its smart it kind of lacks some of the erm cunning of a regular lich I suppose. Its spent 500 years waiting a prophecy as Bane/Cyric/evil BBEG type god transformed it against its will to act as a guardian. I think the PCs are 2-4 levels away from being able to handle it RAW so I am going to rewrite the encounter. The Lich is goian to be an AD&D lich (5E quasi lich? ) so I will strip away its lair actions and/or legendary actions so it will be a level 18 spellcaster with perhaps its spells drawn from the Bard list to better match up the fluff from the adventure. So this lich is going to be a lot weaker than a normal lich probably CR 13 or 14. I still think the CR 21 lich is more like CR 15 or 16 than 21. My PCs are also over equipped perhaps as they have a staff of striking and a +3 intelligent longsword that you can finesse that is intelligent and can cast heal or greater restoration 1/week and it can only be attuned by a good aligned PC. [/QUOTE]

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