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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6783813" data-attributes="member: 5834">Can you point to a reason why it wouldn't be class level? It is the nature of people to pursue the best possible benefit for what they want to do. You can't fault them for that when something is unclear. It would make it easier for everyone if the designers wrote things in a clear manner that cannot be confused. It wouldn't have been hard to include a sentence stating "Prerequisites for invocations on based on warlock level." Just as it would have been easy to write domains that provide proficiencies using, "You only gain this proficiency if you choose this domain at character level 1." Then again it seems fairly unimportant given there is only a small gain in power from the proficiency and the cleric doesn't synergize well with many other classes save perhaps the bard. Not many bards I've seen like to wear heavy armor because it messes up their Stealth.I understand that from a style standpoint it's kind of a ridiculous rule. A cleric getting heavy armor over a fighter or paladin doesn't seem very appropriate. As far as balance goes, it doesn't give them much. Look at all the limitations that go with wearing heavy armor. You need a minimum of 15 strength. To be a multiclass cleric you need a minimum of 13 wisdom. So you make a bard or wizard with a 15 strength and 13 wisdom and a 15 charisma or intelligence? Then do you dump stat dex and con? Is strength more important to a bard or wizard than dex and con? I don't see the great value from getting Heavy armor from being a life cleric. When I planned to take it as a bard, I was looking for the bonus healing. I was never planning to use heavy armor. I could care less about heavy armor. My strength was never going to be 15. I think most people think that way as well.Cleric doesn't synergize well as far heavy armor goes with other classes. Is your resistance to this rule a style reason like Bold Italic or a balance reason? If it is a balance reason, can you perhaps tell me what class combinations you think synergize well with the cleric that will also get to wear heavy armor given the stat requirements it would take to make the combination work?</blockquote>

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