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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3085265" data-attributes="member: 29014">Assuming you disagree with the new feat, let's break it down step by step to show why VSF is weaker compared to SF than LAO is compared to Dodge:Dodge vs LAO / SF vs VSF:1) Dodge leads to new fairly-marginal feats that some people might possibly want but most people don't.&nbsp; LAO leads to GLAO, which you'll obviously want if you bought LAO and have the feat to spend on it.SF leads to fairly-useful related feats.&nbsp; VSF leads to nothing.So in part 1, LAO is better compared to Dodge than VSF is compared to SF.2) If you fail to choose Light Armour, which is a no-brainer choice for any lightly-armoured character (unless you randomly want to be worse) that costs you nothing, LAO gives you nothing.&nbsp; If you fail to choose the Evocation school for this feat, which is a no-brainer choice that costs you nothing if you wanted this feat, VSF gives you nothing.&nbsp; Tie.3) If you have lower than 24 Dex, Dodge gives you +1 Dodge bonus to AC against one target and LAO gives you +1 Armour bonus against all targets, so LAO is better.&nbsp; If you have lower than 24 Int, SF gives you +1 to DC and so does VSF, so they are equal.&nbsp; Again LAO is better compared to Dodge than VSF compared to SF.4) If you have at least 24 Dex, LAO gives you a +1 Armour and +1 Dodge bonus to AC against all targets and Dodge gives you a +1 Dodge bonus against only one target.&nbsp; If you have at least 24 Int, VSF gives you +2 DC and SF gives you +1 DC.&nbsp; Again, LAO is better compared to Dodge than VSF compared to SF.Consensus--LAO is better compared to Dodge than VSF compared to SF.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 3085265, member: 29014"] Assuming you disagree with the new feat, let's break it down step by step to show why VSF is weaker compared to SF than LAO is compared to Dodge: Dodge vs LAO / SF vs VSF: 1) Dodge leads to new fairly-marginal feats that some people might possibly want but most people don't. LAO leads to GLAO, which you'll obviously want if you bought LAO and have the feat to spend on it. SF leads to fairly-useful related feats. VSF leads to nothing. So in part 1, LAO is better compared to Dodge than VSF is compared to SF. 2) If you fail to choose Light Armour, which is a no-brainer choice for any lightly-armoured character (unless you randomly want to be worse) that costs you nothing, LAO gives you nothing. If you fail to choose the Evocation school for this feat, which is a no-brainer choice that costs you nothing if you wanted this feat, VSF gives you nothing. Tie. 3) If you have lower than 24 Dex, Dodge gives you +1 Dodge bonus to AC against one target and LAO gives you +1 Armour bonus against all targets, so LAO is better. If you have lower than 24 Int, SF gives you +1 to DC and so does VSF, so they are equal. Again LAO is better compared to Dodge than VSF compared to SF. 4) If you have at least 24 Dex, LAO gives you a +1 Armour and +1 Dodge bonus to AC against all targets and Dodge gives you a +1 Dodge bonus against only one target. If you have at least 24 Int, VSF gives you +2 DC and SF gives you +1 DC. Again, LAO is better compared to Dodge than VSF compared to SF. Consensus--LAO is better compared to Dodge than VSF compared to SF. [/QUOTE]

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