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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7686013" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>Do you have any evidence that shows the reason they made feats optional was to please pre 3e fans? I'm here to tell you, as a pre 3e fan, that I play with feats on in 5e, and that pre 3e fans all play with them turned off because we all don't like them is a false implication that's not true.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You said 5e 1st level PCs are weak. That's only true when compared against <em>one</em> of the editions of D&D, and an edition that didn't have a very long shelf life. The shortest lifespan, IIRC, of any major redesign of D&D in fact. Compared to every other edition, 5e level 1 PCs are not weak. In fact they are stronger than any level 1 PC was for <strong>25 years</strong> of the game's lifecycle. That's not making your point for you. That's directly refuting your point. You're ignoring most of D&D's lifecycle for a rather short period you randomly selected to make a blanket statement. People need to stop assuming that when people talk about D&D, they are talking about 4e like there was nothing that came before it. According to your logic, if they really wanted to please old school fans, they would have made level 1 PCs where you rolled for hp instead of starting with max, and the hit dice of the classes would all be shifted down one dice category. d4s for wizards again. But they didn't. So your assumption sort of goes out the window.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 7686013, member: 15700"] Do you have any evidence that shows the reason they made feats optional was to please pre 3e fans? I'm here to tell you, as a pre 3e fan, that I play with feats on in 5e, and that pre 3e fans all play with them turned off because we all don't like them is a false implication that's not true. You said 5e 1st level PCs are weak. That's only true when compared against [i]one[/i] of the editions of D&D, and an edition that didn't have a very long shelf life. The shortest lifespan, IIRC, of any major redesign of D&D in fact. Compared to every other edition, 5e level 1 PCs are not weak. In fact they are stronger than any level 1 PC was for [b]25 years[/b] of the game's lifecycle. That's not making your point for you. That's directly refuting your point. You're ignoring most of D&D's lifecycle for a rather short period you randomly selected to make a blanket statement. People need to stop assuming that when people talk about D&D, they are talking about 4e like there was nothing that came before it. According to your logic, if they really wanted to please old school fans, they would have made level 1 PCs where you rolled for hp instead of starting with max, and the hit dice of the classes would all be shifted down one dice category. d4s for wizards again. But they didn't. So your assumption sort of goes out the window. [/QUOTE]
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