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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Orlax" data-source="post: 7686121" data-attributes="member: 6801305">Did you have any sign posts (literal or figurative) that say 'here be dragons low levels need not apply'?If you don't, that would be your dming failure.  No amount of what you say will make that not your dming failure.  You had a giant hole full of 'the game is entirely over' sitting in your living world and did nothing to warn the players not to fall into it.  When they fall in the hole it's your fault for not describing the hole.  By designing the world in such a faulty manner you've ended the game, not their poor choices or unfortunate dice rolls.If you do have some kind of sign post (rumors in town or the surrounding region, or even legendary landscape effects are sign posts that low levels should be getting the eff out), and they still walk into the hole... Well that's synonymous with the guy throwing rocks at a mean mean fire giant to try and get it's attention for reasoned conversation, they earned their death.</blockquote>