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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Frostbiter01" data-source="post: 6824170" data-attributes="member: 6677201">Even Dwarves had the light of their forges and the lava they used! Not too mention the most rarest of jewels lit their entire kingdom like the Arkenstone! Dandu thanks for the tips. Yes I was just speaking of magical darkness. In that it says everything is in shadow so you see shadowy movement We saw a show where the darkness covered an area but you could see all the area outside of the shadowy area like normal. IF it was like that way then looking through you would see the light at the other end which would give you better chances to hit their shadows. I think that sound good that light cannot pass though so you cant see the creatures or the torches on the far side of the cavern but neither an they see you moving to shoot at you until you get in the darkness right Or are you saying even then someone 20' outside of the magical darkness edge cannot fire at the showy figures in the darkness even if 30' into the darkness or just 5'?</blockquote>