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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8252065" data-attributes="member: 93670">Nope, but that would just slow the rate of decay when upcasting if it did&nbsp; Casters are still left with so many other awful spells that are bad even before they get worse by upcasting those that upcasting these two is made to look like a &quot;good&quot; option by virtue of being better than truly abhorrent options though.Also people crowing about how lightning bolt is &quot;easier&quot; to aim are vastly overestimating things[spoiler=&quot;Lich &amp; some wights&quot;][ATTACH=full]135837[/ATTACH][/spoiler]The pink line would take 40 ft of movement so is a nonoption unless he caster is a tabaxi or something but more importantly is that it will lock the caster in a situation where next round of combat they need to disengage to escape melee range.&nbsp; The red line looks slightly better with only 30ft needed but the idea of getting pinned back there with the lich while boxed in is rarely a good idea for casters even with 5e's loldeadly scaling of deadpool like PC durability.&nbsp; The yellow line is totally doable &amp; doesn't trap them in melee&nbsp; at risk of an aoo/consumed disengage but I guess I'll look up a lich now?... resistance to cold lightning &amp; necrotic, legendary resistance... guess it only hits one target.... oopsThere are plenty of other ways the opponents could be arranged) around the martials who have higher at willdamage, burst damage, likely better armor, &amp; maybe better hp than the caster except after the first lightning bolt snags two or more baddies&nbsp; it's trivial for the opponent s to jjust maneuver so it could take a significant amount of movement to line them up again if that's even possible to do without catching the caster's buddy in the blast.&nbsp; Ease of targeting support for lightning bolt needs to consider the fact that lightning bolt is&nbsp; a 120ft line from the caster who has a normal speed rather than a 120ft line between two convenient hypothetical points or a caster with unlimited speed.&nbsp; [USER=2629]@jgsugden[/USER] mentioned a bunch of them <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/lightning-bolt-should-be-better.679594/post-8251932" target="_blank">here</a></blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8252065, member: 93670"] Nope, but that would just slow the rate of decay when upcasting if it did Casters are still left with so many other awful spells that are bad even before they get worse by upcasting those that upcasting these two is made to look like a "good" option by virtue of being better than truly abhorrent options though. Also people crowing about how lightning bolt is "easier" to aim are vastly overestimating things [spoiler="Lich & some wights"] [ATTACH type="full"]135837[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] The pink line would take 40 ft of movement so is a nonoption unless he caster is a tabaxi or something but more importantly is that it will lock the caster in a situation where next round of combat they need to disengage to escape melee range. The red line looks slightly better with only 30ft needed but the idea of getting pinned back there with the lich while boxed in is rarely a good idea for casters even with 5e's loldeadly scaling of deadpool like PC durability. The yellow line is totally doable & doesn't trap them in melee at risk of an aoo/consumed disengage but I guess I'll look up a lich now?... resistance to cold lightning & necrotic, legendary resistance... guess it only hits one target.... oops There are plenty of other ways the opponents could be arranged) around the martials who have higher at willdamage, burst damage, likely better armor, & maybe better hp than the caster except after the first lightning bolt snags two or more baddies it's trivial for the opponent s to jjust maneuver so it could take a significant amount of movement to line them up again if that's even possible to do without catching the caster's buddy in the blast. Ease of targeting support for lightning bolt needs to consider the fact that lightning bolt is a 120ft line from the caster who has a normal speed rather than a 120ft line between two convenient hypothetical points or a caster with unlimited speed. [USER=2629]@jgsugden[/USER] mentioned a bunch of them [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/lightning-bolt-should-be-better.679594/post-8251932']here[/URL] [/QUOTE]

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