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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 8252322" data-attributes="member: 2629"><p>Dude.  Don't change history.  You said you can ALWAYS (you even bolded it) get at least two creatures.  There are dozens of situations where you either can't, or won't (due to the collateral damage).  They come up all the time.And thus saying ALWAYS, with bolded text, was not the right play.I've been played for 40 years.  The core issues around lightning bolt and fireball have been tweaked between editions, but their general shape and placing them has been a pretty consistent underlying issue.  And I have to tell you that DM encounter design, DM play style, and party cooperation are the three largest factors in how effective those spells are.  It can open the door to make them massive killers, or they can both be hard to use.  When the wizard can't get to the front ranks, and can only lightning bolt enemies if they are willing to include the front ranks.... well, that can be tough.</p></blockquote><p></p>