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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Al" data-source="post: 175878" data-attributes="member: 2486">I think hong does have a line of argument, and I can see precisely where he is coming from, but I would nevertheless be inclined to disagree.If I were hong, the argument was follow the lines that Limited Wish can emulate a 6th level spell and NOT (say) a Maximised 3rd level spell.  This is a perfectly legitimate interpretation of the rules, and he is perfectly entitled to this interpretation.Despite this, in my campaign I interpret it slightly different.  I tend to permit Limited Wish to emulate metamagic feats.  Why?  I can't explain why- call it DM's intuition.  I can neither justify nor explain it.  I don't think that KaeYoss' example actually helps much.  For one, the average 13th level wizard has at least Spellcraft+20 and would have close to an encyclopaedic knowledge of every spell in existence and every metamagic feat known to man (c'mon, there are people in RL who have this).  Neither does a clever narrative necessary support a point.It's vague, it's true.  I would probably argue that it's just one of those points that can be widely interpreted: one where not only is there no 'right' answer, but indeed that neither side can be justified further than the other.  Balance and power is not a good enough one: the cost of 300XP is, let's face it, relatively trivial, given that the average encounter at such level yields 3.5 times this amount (4 13th level chars v. CR13 monster).  Limited Wish is also very powerful, even given level- nothing else affords such versatility.I wish I could come to a substantiable conclusion, but I'm afraid I'm a fence-sitter on this one.  Just run with whatever you think is comfortable.Edit: hong, I don't think lashing out at Magus_Jerel helps.  We may both have had arguments with him, but citing him as a paragon of stupidity doesn't help anyone...had it been nwn_deadman, perhaps that's a different matter (anyone remember the Miracle/Wish XP thread?) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> (jk- no offence to anyone)</blockquote>

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