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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 178326" data-attributes="member: 4134">Well, you used not the word prerequisite, and it might be not the right word for it, but what i meant was this:With wish, the caster would just wish for a metamagiged spell. It would be cast, either by him with the power granted to him by the wish, or the wish would cast it on his behalf, or however you imagine wish to function in storytelling terms. He couln't cast it himself, since has not the requisite ability to do so. If he did, he would not burn 300 XP. And having not the "requisite ability" can either mean the spell is not on his spell list, he has not prepared it, his ability scores are to low (wis 11 for a 3rd-level divine spell, e.g.), the spell is from a prohibited school, or, he doesn't have the metamagic feat the spell is enhanced with. Remember that it was you who brought up the issue of  the utility of wish or limited wish: Why would you mention it, except if you think that the ability of using metamagic with limited wish would make the spell more versatile and, therefore, more powerful. There is almost no difference between casting hundreds of spells (with many only slightly different, like the [energy] orb spells or protection from [alignment]), with many amongst them that the caster otherwise could not cast (see above), and casting them in different ways (e.g. with metamagic) Those "meaningless semantics" often make a huge differnce! If the ability increases you get every 4th level would be no increase, but an inherent bonus. That would be meaningless semantics. Right up to the point you use a wish to get a +1 inherent bonus to the same ability...In this special case, it makes a collosal differance: If limited wish would not cast the spell for you, but give you the power to cast it, you could not use it in many cases and the wish (as well as your 300 xp) would be wasted. If you have a prohibited school, you may NEVER cast a spell from that school as a wizard. Your evoker has illusion as his ps and wishes for an invisibility spell. The spell gives it to him, to be cast in the same round. The Evo has only one problem: he can't cast illusion..... And that's a problems a few notches higher than just not knowing how to leave the verbal components away! OK, I used a wrong word. Can be cause I'm no native english speaker, and I'm quite sure that happened to you in the past, too, and more than once in your life. But I have made clear what I wanted to say further up the post, and you could discern what I meant with a second of thought, anyway. But if you've already sunk so low that you have to mock my writing stile in order to discredit me and my arguments, I think you don't even believe your own arguments anymore (and "Irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned", without further explanation why, isn't that much of an argument, anyway!)</blockquote>

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