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<blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 179318" data-attributes="member: 4134"><p>That would also mean that cou can wish is that you can wish for "the use of a prohibited school for the one-time purpose fo casting this spell which I have LWed for". If you get the use of that metamagic feat for this one spell, you also get the ability to cast divine spells, or spells from a prohibited school with your wizard. And spezialists are explicitly forbidden to cast spells from their forbidden schools, add them to their spellbook, prepare them, or even cast them from magic items that use spell completion or spell trigger (scrolls or wands and staffs, respectively).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not explicitly stated if it can or cannot. Arguing that the spell is cast for you by an outer source is both according to the descritpions of the spell (you know, the genie theme). Either this power knows all spells there are, or you contact a specific power amongst many that know that particular spell. And it is imaginable that those know all the metamagic feats and can just change the spell accordingly</p><p></p><p>If you assume instead, that you can cast the spell yourself, once, by the power of limited wish, you'd gain the power to cast a spell from a prohibited school, or even from a different class list. That would far more upset the rules than granting a feat for a single spell. (The specialists have those forbidden schools for good reason)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. If you allow or forbid metamagic, you have to do it completely. No "if you have the feat, you can use it", as an empowered maximised widened fireball is still only 3rd level, but should be clearly beyond the power of limited wish: (and every mortal spellcaster below epic level, at that!). </p><p></p><p>But for "spell of up to 6th level": Read the last option of limited wish again: "Have any other effect whose power level is in line with the above effects,...". Surely, granting you a spell of 3rd level, modified with metamagic feats to make it occupy a 6th-level slot is as powerful as a 6th-level spell. It would not occupy a 6th-level slot otherwise. </p><p></p><p>This last option of LW, which I overlooked all the time, could not only resolve this special problem (of xth-level spell versus spell which occupies a xth-level slot), but the whole debate, as casting a metamagiced spell and a normal spell are IMHO the same power level if they use the same spell slots. I agree that it would be more powerful if you could use the metamagic feat you "gained" through use of the wish to prepare other spells with it, but wish allows you only to get one spell at a time.</p><p></p><p>But you made a couple of good points here, and it was nice to argue with someone that doesn't fall back to arguments like "I don't care" <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kae'Yoss, post: 179318, member: 4134"] That would also mean that cou can wish is that you can wish for "the use of a prohibited school for the one-time purpose fo casting this spell which I have LWed for". If you get the use of that metamagic feat for this one spell, you also get the ability to cast divine spells, or spells from a prohibited school with your wizard. And spezialists are explicitly forbidden to cast spells from their forbidden schools, add them to their spellbook, prepare them, or even cast them from magic items that use spell completion or spell trigger (scrolls or wands and staffs, respectively). It's not explicitly stated if it can or cannot. Arguing that the spell is cast for you by an outer source is both according to the descritpions of the spell (you know, the genie theme). Either this power knows all spells there are, or you contact a specific power amongst many that know that particular spell. And it is imaginable that those know all the metamagic feats and can just change the spell accordingly If you assume instead, that you can cast the spell yourself, once, by the power of limited wish, you'd gain the power to cast a spell from a prohibited school, or even from a different class list. That would far more upset the rules than granting a feat for a single spell. (The specialists have those forbidden schools for good reason) Yes. If you allow or forbid metamagic, you have to do it completely. No "if you have the feat, you can use it", as an empowered maximised widened fireball is still only 3rd level, but should be clearly beyond the power of limited wish: (and every mortal spellcaster below epic level, at that!). But for "spell of up to 6th level": Read the last option of limited wish again: "Have any other effect whose power level is in line with the above effects,...". Surely, granting you a spell of 3rd level, modified with metamagic feats to make it occupy a 6th-level slot is as powerful as a 6th-level spell. It would not occupy a 6th-level slot otherwise. This last option of LW, which I overlooked all the time, could not only resolve this special problem (of xth-level spell versus spell which occupies a xth-level slot), but the whole debate, as casting a metamagiced spell and a normal spell are IMHO the same power level if they use the same spell slots. I agree that it would be more powerful if you could use the metamagic feat you "gained" through use of the wish to prepare other spells with it, but wish allows you only to get one spell at a time. But you made a couple of good points here, and it was nice to argue with someone that doesn't fall back to arguments like "I don't care" :) [/QUOTE]
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