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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 8025055" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>It's not about the "going beyond" feature which breaks the game, because that requires DM's approval, so the DM always knows if a player's request will spell trouble, and simply make the wish not work or otherwise tinker with the wording to make it partially work. I <em>wish </em>(pun intended!) that Wish <strong>only</strong> allowed to be used this way, even without the permanent penalty which I find way too harsh.</p><p></p><p>What breaks the game is the ability of Wish to replicate every spell of lower level. It is never used in "interesting" or creative ways, because it <em>replicates</em> another spell exactly. Maybe a DM allows PHB spells to be used "creatively" ie.e. beyond the RAW, but still Wish is going to be used <em>at most</em> as creatively as the spell which replicates, so it doesn't add a creative edge to existing spells. On the contrary, having a spell that replicates <em>hundreds</em> of spells you normally don't know or have prepared, means that the player can much more easily find a non-interesting, non-creative way to pass a challenge: all they need to do is find the right spell for the occasion in the books.</p><p></p><p>Now, the only saving grace of 5e Wish is that it requires a 9th level spell slot, meaning you can get an "I win button" maximum once per day. Limited Wish will be lower level, sure it will have less spells it can replicate (still hundreds though), but it also means it can be cast more times. There is a reason why WotC desigers decided <em>not</em> to bring Limited Wish to 5e from older editions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 8025055, member: 1465"] It's not about the "going beyond" feature which breaks the game, because that requires DM's approval, so the DM always knows if a player's request will spell trouble, and simply make the wish not work or otherwise tinker with the wording to make it partially work. I [I]wish [/I](pun intended!) that Wish [B]only[/B] allowed to be used this way, even without the permanent penalty which I find way too harsh. What breaks the game is the ability of Wish to replicate every spell of lower level. It is never used in "interesting" or creative ways, because it [I]replicates[/I] another spell exactly. Maybe a DM allows PHB spells to be used "creatively" ie.e. beyond the RAW, but still Wish is going to be used [I]at most[/I] as creatively as the spell which replicates, so it doesn't add a creative edge to existing spells. On the contrary, having a spell that replicates [I]hundreds[/I] of spells you normally don't know or have prepared, means that the player can much more easily find a non-interesting, non-creative way to pass a challenge: all they need to do is find the right spell for the occasion in the books. Now, the only saving grace of 5e Wish is that it requires a 9th level spell slot, meaning you can get an "I win button" maximum once per day. Limited Wish will be lower level, sure it will have less spells it can replicate (still hundreds though), but it also means it can be cast more times. There is a reason why WotC desigers decided [I]not[/I] to bring Limited Wish to 5e from older editions. [/QUOTE]
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