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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tgrt" data-source="post: 5490539" data-attributes="member: 6671289">It depends entirely on the situation. However, I would most certainly give the PCs a modifier just like I would for the monsters if it made sense.  It's not about them seeing the power being used. In my example, it's about being in melee when that is the only action the PC takes turn after turn. It's not about the PC using the power judiciously, it's about the PC using the power indiscriminately. To take your example of a wolf. A wolf bites, but not every bite is the same, so the same logic doesn't apply. Although there is a possibility that the PCs could develop a strategy for dealing with the wolves that would give them an advantage. For instance, and for the record this is a contrived example, lets say that a pack of wolves always bites at the left arm. A PC could wrap clothing, double up armor, or something to the left arm and in those cases I would most certainly provide a modifier.  That's just it. It's not limiting them. They can use them as much as they want, but they need to do it smart.  You missed the other example in my first post. It's not the same situation. However, that wizard is going to attract more attention and become a priority target.  There's no jumping through hoops, and if he or she is really good it'll still succeed. It's just a modifier to reflect the PC doing the same thing over and over. I wouldn't apply it if he was mixing it up.  Well that in of itself would be a rule change. The rules say, "You must be using a shield."    Did I say that? The rules for Tide of Iron already cover that. You can push a target if its your size, smaller, or one size larger.  That's a valid point. And very well could be true. The problem here is that we're going off topic on the subject of the Tide of Iron power. It was just an example to illustrate the point that we don't have to limit use of at-will powers, because being pragmatic will do that for us.</blockquote>

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