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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kobold Stew" data-source="post: 6604940" data-attributes="member: 23484">I'm going to say that's what they've done to clerics in 5e, and it's part of why they're disappointing to me.The choice to deny the possibility of the laser cleric in 5e (no attack cleric spells; only a single spell requiring a save to avoid damage) shows that the deployment of cantrips is crucial to the experience of play for a class. If there were a single fire bolt available to classics, is it one everyone would take? Not necessarily. But it sure would be nice to have the option.Mutatis mutandis for wizard cantrips. If the DM wants to incentivize non-combat cantrips, provide opportunities for casters to use -- and so to want to have -- non-combat cantrips. They're a limited resource. But if the DM only provide combat, then players rightfully will want to use them there. They still won't have to (they can shoot crossbows or darts or whatever), but some players will want that, and I don't see why they should be denied. It's up to the DM to make players want to have Dancing lights or Message or Mending. The player should have the choice.</blockquote>