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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MerricB" data-source="post: 9659609" data-attributes="member: 3586">I've been going through different configurations in my head...<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You avert your eyes</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You close your eyes</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You have a blindfold on</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You have the blindness condition due to a spell.</li> </ul>Also:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The target is invisible</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The target is hidden and behind full cover</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The target is hidden and behind 3/4 cover</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The target is behind 3/4 cover</li> </ul>With those first four states, when does it start being "you no longer have line-of-sight"? It's seems to me that having the blindness condition would prevent you having a line of sight, but you then begin wondering why the other states don't apply. Where's the cutoff?But then I started looking at how it applies to hiding... and things got weirder.Imagine there's a brightly lit room. There's the ninja and the blind monk. The ninja cannot hide from the blind monk, despite the monk being unable to see him. That's because the requirements are cover or heavy obscurment (and no line-of-sight). Turn off the lights, and the ninja can hide.(This is because heavily obscured gives blindness, not blindness makes things heavily obscured!)The obscurement/blindness interaction did occur in 2014, but because the rules for when it was appropriate to hide weren't defined, it didn't come up. Now that they've tried to codify things, the rules start breaking.Most of us are going to keep DM ruling it, of course.</blockquote>

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